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is ncaa men the only “league” that still plays halves instead of quarters?

seems odd
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Only league in the world, if I'm not mistaken.

Odd, or dumb. Needs to be changed.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 8:59 am Only league in the world, if I'm not mistaken.

Odd, or dumb. Needs to be changed.
I don't know why you wouldn't just play with NBA rules, but perhaps modify quarters to 10 minutes from 12, and structure TV timeouts in such a way as to ensure you're still generally fitting in a 2:00 window.
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Seems pretty logical to cut the TV timeouts to 3. 1 in each quarter and 1 between quarters.

If the advertisers hate that, then go to 3 min TV timeouts. You'd have 6 timeouts totaling 18 minutes.

There are currently 8 timeouts totaling 16 minutes. 8 timeouts is too damn many (sorry Bill).
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it just seems silly to be the only ones not utilizing quarters

would the timeout chess match/es change? likely not

would the quality of play improve? maybe, if the quarter breaks provide a bit more rest
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Resetting the fouls would be a big improvement to flow. Flow is too often a problem at this level.
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I like the uniqueness of halves. I think the final minute of any period are boring. I hate watching teams dribble for 15 seconds while holding for the last shot, or throwing up garbage to go 2 for 1. I prefer the two half format. No reason to change it just because that's what others do.
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 9:57 am I like the uniqueness of halves. I think the final minute of any period are boring. I hate watching teams dribble for 15 seconds while holding for the last shot, or throwing up garbage to go 2 for
Not nearly as boring as watching 60 FT attempts.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 9:57 am I like the uniqueness of halves. I think the final minute of any period are boring. I hate watching teams dribble for 15 seconds while holding for the last shot, or throwing up garbage to go 2 for
Not nearly as boring as watching 60 FT attempts.
Change the bonus from 7 fouls to 8 fouls.

I mean, if you have 0 foul in the 3rd quarter and then 6 fouls in the 4th, you'll have three extra trips to the FT line that you wouldn't have had playing halves, if you set the bonus at 4. Depending on the game it could slow things down.
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I'd prefer to get rid of the single bonus, and go to 10 foul double bonus or 2 fouls in the last two minutes or something over adding two additional clock resets.
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why not go soccer rules, and just have a rolling clock?

then, nobody knows exactly how much time is left and the end-game shenanigans would stop

(maybe...lol)
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Ok, but in all the other bazilliion scenarios, you're eliminating FT trips w/ current rules vs. quarters.
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:22 am I'd prefer to get rid of the single bonus, and go to 10 foul double bonus or 2 fouls in the last two minutes or something over adding two additional clock resets.
Clock reset >>> 8 TV timeouts. TV timeouts absolutely blow for people at home and especially at the game.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:23 am Ok, but in all the other bazilliion scenarios, you're eliminating FT trips w/ current rules vs. quarters.
depends on where you set the bonus.

If you set it to 3 you have more FT trips. If you set it higher, it's simply because you are requiring more fouls to shoot FTs...you can do that without changing to quarters.

Also, I don't think FTs are a problem. Now, if you want to speed things up, make a rule that doesn't allow teams to huddle up every goddam time there's a FT.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:25 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:22 am I'd prefer to get rid of the single bonus, and go to 10 foul double bonus or 2 fouls in the last two minutes or something over adding two additional clock resets.
Clock reset >>> 8 TV timeouts. TV timeouts absolutely blow for people at home and especially at the game.
Then reduce the number of timeouts. You don't have to add a quarter break to reduce timeouts. You're taking a step back to take two steps forward....let's just take two steps forward.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 9:57 am I like the uniqueness of halves. I think the final minute of any period are boring. I hate watching teams dribble for 15 seconds while holding for the last shot, or throwing up garbage to go 2 for
Not nearly as boring as watching 60 FT attempts.
Hyperbole.

Average # fts per game nba vs ncaa essentially the same adjusted for time. ~23 per team nba, ~19 Ncaa
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:23 am Ok, but in all the other bazilliion scenarios, you're eliminating FT trips w/ current rules vs. quarters.
depends on where you set the bonus.

If you set it to 3 you have more FT trips. If you set it higher, it's simply because you are requiring more fouls to shoot FTs...you can do that without changing to quarters.

Also, I don't think FTs are a problem. Now, if you want to speed things up, make a rule that doesn't allow teams to huddle up every goddam time there's a FT.
Would be set at 4 or 5. Double bonus.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:23 am Ok, but in all the other bazilliion scenarios, you're eliminating FT trips w/ current rules vs. quarters.
depends on where you set the bonus.

If you set it to 3 you have more FT trips. If you set it higher, it's simply because you are requiring more fouls to shoot FTs...you can do that without changing to quarters.

Also, I don't think FTs are a problem. Now, if you want to speed things up, make a rule that doesn't allow teams to huddle up every goddam time there's a FT.
Would be set at 4 or 5. Double bonus.
Then just move the double bonus to 8 or 10 and eliminate the single bonus.
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:32 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 10:27 am

depends on where you set the bonus.

If you set it to 3 you have more FT trips. If you set it higher, it's simply because you are requiring more fouls to shoot FTs...you can do that without changing to quarters.

Also, I don't think FTs are a problem. Now, if you want to speed things up, make a rule that doesn't allow teams to huddle up every goddam time there's a FT.
Would be set at 4 or 5. Double bonus.
Then just move the double bonus to 8 or 10 and eliminate the single bonus.
Not against that, I'm just having trouble understanding what is so sacred about playing 2 halves? Every other league in the world has evaluated it and sees that it provides no advantage for gameplay or entertainment value.

Going to quarters helps alleviate 2 of the most frustrating things about CBB.
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If you have the bonus the same (10 per half or 5 per quarter) you'll always have the same or fewer FTs in the 2 half format, and also eliminate the quarter break. You can reduce the number of TOs as much as you want.

There's no argument that adding an additional break speeds up the flow. It doesn't make sense, a break is a break. You want fewer TOs then reduce TOs, you want fewer FTs increase the bonus. You don't have to make some kind of trade.
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