F the NCAA

[Deleted User 310]

Anyone know "why" Zion backed out of this contract to go with another agency less than 2 months after he signed it?

[jfish26]

The College Football Season Is in Jeopardy. The NCAA’s Economic Model Should Be Too.

https://www.theringer.com/2020/5/11/212 ... teur-model

Without football, the entire NCAA ecosystem, one in which a predominantly white managerial class profits from the efforts of a predominantly black and working-class labor force, collapses almost overnight. In other words, the concern over a potential lost season tells us just how important the labor of college football players is to the entire amateur sports landscape.

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[F]ootball produces so much money that even after funding those programs schools are left with a surplus. And without players taking a cut, that money oozes out in some perverse yet predictable ways. The most obvious of these is the coaching salary arms race. For example: In 2008, LSU set an SEC record by paying national-championship-winning head coach Les Miles $3.75 million a year; 10 years later, the Tigers gave defensive coordinator Dave Aranda a $2.5 million annual salary.

College football coaches deserve to be paid handsomely—they work extremely hard, and while every so often an overripe Muschamp plops down unceremoniously from the coaching tree, most of them have honed their skills through decades of study and practice. But should the going rate for a Power Five head coach be in excess of $4 million a year, while the players get paid in exposure? And as much as the bit about coaches being the highest-paid public employees in 41 states has turned into a cliché, repetition doesn’t reduce its trenchancy.

Nor does that profit get cycled back into a university system that’s suffering massive cuts in public funding. Rather than scale back facilities upgrades and administrative costs, or dip into football’s money-printing machine, universities nationwide have cut the legs out from under teachers and researchers who supposedly give the system its reason for being. And all of this comes at a massive humanitarian cost.

In this respect, college football is no different, as facilities upgrades eat up another huge slice of the athletics budget. And we’re not just talking about upgrading the weight room and buying a few extra Final Cut licenses for the video staff. Without having an avenue to pay recruits directly, schools use facilities as a draw at a cost of tens of millions of dollars.

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A system that pays out million-dollar salaries and nine-figure construction contracts can surely afford to cut its players in on the product of their work. If the axioms of the NCAA and its apologists ever held water, they surely don’t anymore, as the same people who six months ago thought schools couldn’t afford their players’ labor are now crying out about how they can’t afford not to have it. Iowa State AD Jamie Pollard put it succinctly in an interview with The Washington Post: “I don’t know how any of us, how the current NCAA model, could survive if we’re not playing any football games.”

College football players are one of the few workforces for whom the pandemic-based economic panic strengthens their negotiating position. They do a dangerous job for no pay, and as a direct result an entire multibillion-dollar industry exists. Without their compliance, there is no industry. If you doubt that, just ask the panicked ADs and administrators who said so to ESPN and Sports Illustrated. One could not ask for a more explicit and obvious illustration of the value of players’ work than this.

[jfish26]

There's so much that can be said about this. But at it's core: if this isn't within your scope, why do you exist?

https://twitter.com/JonSolomonAspen/sta ... 3324724224

[TDub]

Allows them to escape blame. Chickenshit stance.

[jfish26]

Allows them to escape blame. Chickenshit stance.

So, we have established:

Things the NCAA Does Not Do

* academics
* coordinate national response

Things the NCAA Does

* loses its shit when kids get money

[NDballer13]

Is the NCAA the only non-profit organization that doesn't have it's number one goal be actually helping people?

[PhDhawk]

I hate the ncaa too.

But, how could they do mandate a uniform return when some universities are planning on opening and others aren't.

If Cal-State is going online only, that pretty much means they aren't going to have sports. How would the ncaa force them to?

[jfish26]

I hate the ncaa too.

But, how could they do mandate a uniform return when some universities are planning on opening and others aren't.

If Cal-State is going online only, that pretty much means they aren't going to have sports. How would the ncaa force them to?

NCAA can't and shouldn't force them to.

But god damn, it should have (lead!) a national oversight and coordination role in terms of college athletics, seeing that it is the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Seems like that sort of role should be squarely within scope.

[PhDhawk]

After the UNC ruling....they're just hall monitors.

[NDballer13]

I hate the ncaa too.

But, how could they do mandate a uniform return when some universities are planning on opening and others aren't.

If Cal-State is going online only, that pretty much means they aren't going to have sports. How would the ncaa force them to?

Don't they claim to be an enforcement agency to make sure no school gets a competitive advantage (a term used in their response to KU allegations)? Wouldn't some schools being open and able to practice, while others are not, be a competitive advantage?

I think it was Penn State's football coach saying he would support a season even if it meant not everyone in the conference plays. Don't punish the kids from 6 states because the officials in one don't want to open type of thing.

Don't know how logical it would be, but you can name an official start date for the season and then leave it up to the school to decide if they want to play or not, assuming health officials in all states open up. If a school decides not to play or health officials don't allow them to, those players can still have that year of eligibility. Obviously that's not the best idea, but could be a starting point.

Good thing it's not my job and there is an organization in place to oversee the athletics of all it's member schools to make such a decision. Oh wait....

[jfish26]

I think it's clear where things are headed, at least for football: the SEC will play. The B1G and Pac 12 will not. Everything else TBD.

[Geezer]

What does having classes on campus have to do with athletics?

[pdub]

What does having classes at all have to do with athletics?
Each team should have a luxury tax kinda deal but should be able to pay the players whatever ( just get taxed if they go over the limit that'll change with increase in revenue ) - and enrolling in the school should be optional really.
And AFH should really come down - we need a new, modern arena on K-10.
Also the University of Kansas has a pretty boomer kinda feel to it...really should come up with a new name and now that the arena is closer to KC, maybe something like the KC Phogushers.

[NDballer13]

What does having classes on campus have to do with athletics?

If campuses aren't allowing students, where do the players stay, practice, train, play, etc....

[pdub]

Don't need to be on campus really.
Live wherever they want.
Just make it to practice at the new arena, we good.

[Geezer]

Athletic dorms

Seriously, they do a lot of their classwork online anyway.

[MICHHAWK]

Move football to spring.

[NDballer13]

Don't need to be on campus really.
Live wherever they want.
Just make it to practice at the new arena, we good.

The guy who is as anti-pay the players as they come is suggesting they live off campus to play their sports for free. Who's paying for those houses/apartments all these players are living in, you know, since they don't receive any compensation?

[NDballer13]

Move football to spring.

All for this. Shit, they already have spring football. Just move the games. They'll be done before the draft anyway.

[pdub]

Don't need to be on campus really.
Live wherever they want.
Just make it to practice at the new arena, we good.

The guy who is as anti-pay the players as they come is suggesting they live off campus to play their sports for free. Who's paying for those houses/apartments all these players are living in, you know, since they don't receive any compensation?

The players are paying for it.
There should be a minimum salary each player gets, adjusted every season by the NCAA.
What does a campus have anything to do with college athletics?