COVID-19 - On the Ground

[MICHHAWK]

It's a graph that shows total hospitalized people. We are nowhere close to the peak.

All the info you seek is on the CDC website. People are not dying in the streets. And the people who are dying are unvaccinated.

so, you did just make shit up...again

It's simple math.

Your hysteria about hospitals overflowing worse than they did during the peak is wildly undeserved. Areas with surges are seeing ICUs fill up, but these are the some of the same areas that filled up the first time because they're in areas where people don't give a shit if they get covid.

you are owning the russian bots today. keep up the good work.

[PhDhawk]

It's a graph that shows total hospitalized people. We are nowhere close to the peak.

All the info you seek is on the CDC website. People are not dying in the streets. And the people who are dying are unvaccinated.

so, you did just make shit up...again

It's simple math.

Your hysteria about hospitals overflowing worse than they did during the peak is wildly undeserved. Areas with surges are seeing ICUs fill up, but these are the some of the same areas that filled up the first time because they're in areas where people don't give a shit if they get covid.

Here's some simple math, look at the 7 day average for new cases, it's going up. Hospitalizations are lagging, if it's bad in places now, it will get worse as case numbers increase and then as those people get sick enough to require hospitalization.

[Deleted User 863]

so, you did just make shit up...again

It's simple math.

Your hysteria about hospitals overflowing worse than they did during the peak is wildly undeserved. Areas with surges are seeing ICUs fill up, but these are the some of the same areas that filled up the first time because they're in areas where people don't give a shit if they get covid.

you are owning the russian bots today. keep up the good work.

Golfing soon. LOL

Priorities.

[CrimsonNBlue]

We are on the same team here man.

It seems that way only up to a point.

I just don't understand the logic behind being OK with not frequenting places you want to go to because those places should get to cater to the dumbass 30% of the population that won't get something that is harmless and for the greater good.

That doesn't sound like freedom at all, it sounds like minority rule.

[MICHHAWK]

we the people aren't buying it anymore. so the propaganda machine is fired up today, full steam.

[Deleted User 863]

so, you did just make shit up...again

It's simple math.

Your hysteria about hospitals overflowing worse than they did during the peak is wildly undeserved. Areas with surges are seeing ICUs fill up, but these are the some of the same areas that filled up the first time because they're in areas where people don't give a shit if they get covid.

Here's some simple math, look at the 7 day average for new cases, it's going up. Hospitalizations are lagging, if it's bad in places now, it will get worse as case numbers increase and then as those people get sick enough to require hospitalization.

Yes it's going up. I just said similar about hospitalizations and why it's occuring.

But it's not going up to levels anywhere near the peak prior to vaccines.

We are doing a good job, right?

More progress to be made, but the doom and gloom hysteria to try to convince people to get vaccinated doesn't work effectively at changing people's minds about getting the shot.

If it's doom and gloom, which for some it is (and that's okay too), then i suggested strict worldwide lockdowns. People can also choose to stay home and away from anyone outside their household. Socially distancing worked...but now nobody wants to do that. Vaccinated people included.

Again, we are on the same team here.

[MICHHAWK]

We are doing a good job, right?

we are doing great.

[CrimsonNBlue]

but the doom and gloom hysteria to try to convince people to get vaccinated doesn't work effectively at changing people's minds about getting the shot.

I will say see my post about raw hospitalization numbers naturally being different now than at the beginning of pandemic in the US.


But, I believe the quoted part to be true. It is at the point in time for effective vaccine mandates. Yes, you have a choice, and like most choices, they have consequences.

[Overlander]

If you leave stupid people to their own devices, they continue to do stupid shit.
Not getting vaccinated is beyond idiotic.

Not taking proper precautions even after vaccination is fucking stupid.
It also proves that you care about no one other than yourself.

[Deleted User 89]

We are on the same team here man.

It seems that way only up to a point.

I just don't understand the logic behind being OK with not frequenting places you want to go to because those places should get to cater to the dumbass 30% of the population that won't get something that is harmless and for the greater good.

That doesn't sound like freedom at all, it sounds like minority rule.

aka...we’re only as strong as our weakest link/s

[Deleted User 863]

We are on the same team here man.

It seems that way only up to a point.

I just don't understand the logic behind being OK with not frequenting places you want to go to because those places should get to cater to the dumbass 30% of the population that won't get something that is harmless and for the greater good.

That doesn't sound like freedom at all, it sounds like minority rule.

I don't think we should cater to the dumbass 30% AT ALL.

I just also don't think they should cater to us.

I have said numerous times. Proof of vaccination for publicly owned spaces. Support 100%. Unvaccinated people shouldn't get to enjoy places our tax dollars are paying for (public schools included) while putting others at risk. Personally i don't think its okay for vaccinated people to infect and spread either so i would understand if some people think those places shouldn't be open at all.

And if Bubbas Backwoods Brisket Buffet wants to allow unvaccinated people to go to their restaurant then i won't go there. Bubba owns that property and he's clearly an idiot.

I think many establishments would voluntarily require proof of vaccination and many already are. So those are the places i will seek out. Maybe even require a sign be posted stating their policy so we all know whether we are among people we want to be around.

[Deleted User 863]

but the doom and gloom hysteria to try to convince people to get vaccinated doesn't work effectively at changing people's minds about getting the shot.

I will say see my post about raw hospitalization numbers naturally being different now than at the beginning of pandemic in the US.


But, I believe the quoted part to be true. It is at the point in time for effective vaccine mandates. Yes, you have a choice, and like most choices, they have consequences.

Yes. Mandate it. For publicly owned spaces. For publicy funded schools. All of that. I am with you.

[twocoach]

Because vaccinated people are still contracting and spreading the virus.

And fwiw, i am not saying you're wrong for feeling comfortable out and about. I feel the same. But if the end goal is to not have covid in circulation then partial shutdowns and masks won't reduce spread enough to do anything more than slow it. Even if we get even more people to get vaccinated...some people are approaching 9months since their first shot...in another 6months or so those people are going to have to make the decision to get another shot, in addition to convincing the unvaccinated to get their first round of shots.

I am not sure where i stand yet as far as extreme lockdowns. But i don't like partial lockdowns where restaurants are closed but casinos are open because it's putting a bandaid on a boat leak. It slows the spread for sure, which is good because we don't want hospitals overflowing, but if it's over and over again with no meaningful progress in eradication of the virus then I just don't agree with that method as a long term solution. The numbers dip and then go right back up after lockdown ends.

Either this is so deadly that we need extreme worldwide lockdowns or it's not and we need to get to work on adjusting our way of lives how we see fit to avoid the virus. Each person has a different threshold for risk they're willing to accept. Some people aren't worried at all. Some people are terrified. Plan accordingly.

Again, I have not seen anyone state that the goal is the 100% eradication of COVID so I don't know see the point in continuing to propose a solution that is guaranteed to never happen to solve a question that isn't being asked.

But you're okay with unvaccinated people having to lockdown and/or not be allowed places (due to governement orders) that YOU want to go to because that is what is most convenient for YOU. That's a stance i can't agree with.

If you're worried about contracting the virus then it is your responsibility to protect yourself. The government should play a role, yes. But business owners have rights too.

If a business wants to only allow vaccinated people in their establishment i am 100% for it. Those are the places i will support and frequent.

If they don't care whether their customers are vaccinated or not because it's a risk they're willing to take then I 100% support your/our right to not go there (i certainly won't).

People have choices to make every day. You're either against the spread of the virus or not. It isn't okay for vaccinated people to spread the virus either. That's not how it works. Any spreading of the virus is bad.

Or get your yearly shots, spend your money at places who share your ideals/morals/beliefs, don't go places you feel are unsafe, and live your life accordingly.

Vaccinated people thinking the world needs to cater to them is ridiculous.

Unvaccinated people thinking the world needs to cater to them is even more ridiculous.

Make good choices.

"But you're okay with unvaccinated people having to lockdown and/or not be allowed places (due to governement orders) that YOU want to go to because that is what is most convenient for YOU. That's a stance i can't agree with. "
False. I am not OK with anyone having to lock down. I am OK with businesses being given the choice to define what criteria they choose for their customers so long as they are OK with the consequences of that choice. Again, you are the only person here talking about lockdowns so I am not sure why you are attaching that stance to me.

[CrimsonNBlue]

We are on the same team here man.

It seems that way only up to a point.

I just don't understand the logic behind being OK with not frequenting places you want to go to because those places should get to cater to the dumbass 30% of the population that won't get something that is harmless and for the greater good.

That doesn't sound like freedom at all, it sounds like minority rule.

I don't think we should cater to the dumbass 30% AT ALL.

I just also don't think they should cater to us.

I have said numerous times. Proof of vaccination for publicly owned spaces. Support 100%. Unvaccinated people shouldn't get to enjoy places our tax dollars are paying for (public schools included) while putting others at risk. Personally i don't think its okay for vaccinated people to infect and spread either so i would understand if some people think those places shouldn't be open at all.

And if Bubbas Backwoods Brisket Buffet wants to allow unvaccinated people to go to their restaurant then i won't go there. Bubba owns that property.

I think many establishments would voluntarily require proof of vaccination and many already are. So those are the places i will seek out.

So is this some private business principle stance? Because there are certainly times we can, should, and do regulate Bubbas Buffet. Public Health being one of those times and government interest. Being a raging racist is another one of those times.

[PhDhawk]

It's simple math.

Your hysteria about hospitals overflowing worse than they did during the peak is wildly undeserved. Areas with surges are seeing ICUs fill up, but these are the some of the same areas that filled up the first time because they're in areas where people don't give a shit if they get covid.

Here's some simple math, look at the 7 day average for new cases, it's going up. Hospitalizations are lagging, if it's bad in places now, it will get worse as case numbers increase and then as those people get sick enough to require hospitalization.

Yes it's going up. I just said similar about hospitalizations and why it's occuring.

But it's not going up to levels anywhere near the peak prior to vaccines.

We are doing a good job, right?

More progress to be made, but the doom and gloom hysteria to try to convince people to get vaccinated doesn't work effectively at changing people's minds about getting the shot.

If it's doom and gloom, which for some it is (and that's okay too), then i suggested strict worldwide lockdowns. People can also choose to stay home and away from anyone outside their household. Socially distancing worked...but now nobody wants to do that. Vaccinated people included.

Again, we are on the same team here.

Why is that the bar?

If hospitals don't have enough staff to serve everyone it's a problem. If there aren't enough ICU beds, it's a problem, if there aren't enough ventillators it's a problem.

And, if they're running out now, and the numbers are increasing, it will become a problem. And then you have situations like in Texas, where hospitals see that they'll soon be swamped who've asked for help and were denied.

Also, who's paying for these unvaxxed hospital bills? I'm pretty sure Mich and I are both tired of them sucking at the teet.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Also, who's paying for these unvaxxed hospital bills? I'm pretty sure Mich and I are both tired of them sucking at the teet.

This is something I also can't get over, especially as it pertains to hypocrisy.

One of the conservative talking points against national health care was that some people were pissy about the idea of, in a round about way, paying for some dumbass's poor life and health choices. And here we are now defending someone "right" to drive 120 MPH on the wrong side of the road.

[Deleted User 863]

"But you're okay with unvaccinated people having to lockdown and/or not be allowed places (due to governement orders) that YOU want to go to because that is what is most convenient for YOU. That's a stance i can't agree with. "
False. I am not OK with anyone having to lock down. I am OK with businesses being given the choice to define what criteria they choose for their customers so long as they are OK with the consequences of that choice. Again, you are the only person here talking about lockdowns so I am not sure why you are attaching that stance to me.

My bad. Hard to keep everyone's stances straight.

Yes, we agree then. I also support businesses being able to refuse service to unvaccinated individuals.

[Deleted User 863]

Also, who's paying for these unvaxxed hospital bills? I'm pretty sure Mich and I are both tired of them sucking at the teet.

This is something I also can't get over, especially as it pertains to hypocrisy.

One of the conservative talking points against national health care was that some people were pissy about the idea of, in a round about way, paying for some dumbass's poor life and health choices. And here we are now defending someone "right" to drive 120 MPH on the wrong side of the road.

Private health insurance is not the same as healthcare or medical service.

Health insurance is a tool healthy individuals use to reduce medical costs.

[twocoach]

Also, who's paying for these unvaxxed hospital bills? I'm pretty sure Mich and I are both tired of them sucking at the teet.

This is something I also can't get over, especially as it pertains to hypocrisy.

One of the conservative talking points against national health care was that some people were pissy about the idea of, in a round about way, paying for some dumbass's poor life and health choices. And here we are now defending someone "right" to drive 120 MPH on the wrong side of the road.

There isn't a single complaint of the unvaccinated that isn't hypocritically opposite of their stance on other issues.

This is nothing more than "I don't like to be told what I can and cannot do". They can dress up their arguments with whatever buzz words they find on social media but ultimately, that is the crux of their stance.

[Deleted User 863]

Also, who's paying for these unvaxxed hospital bills? I'm pretty sure Mich and I are both tired of them sucking at the teet.

This is something I also can't get over, especially as it pertains to hypocrisy.

One of the conservative talking points against national health care was that some people were pissy about the idea of, in a round about way, paying for some dumbass's poor life and health choices. And here we are now defending someone "right" to drive 120 MPH on the wrong side of the road.

There isn't a single complaint of the unvaccinated that isn't hypocritically opposite of their stance on other issues.

This is nothing more than "I don't like to be told what I can and cannot do". They can dress up their arguments with whatever buzz words they find on social media but ultimately, that is the crux of their stance.

My body my choice. Talk about hypocrisy.