an even more frightening perspective

[Wiff]

Curb emissions.
Reduce waste.
Conserve water.
Farm responsibly.
Fuck Mizzou

fyp

[twocoach]

we don't need a lopsided agreement with paris to do the right thing. we know how to do it.

Yes, we do. Otherwise companies just do what costs the least amount in expenses, damn the consequences.

[MICHHAWK]

we don't need a lopsided agreement with paris to do the right thing. we know how to do it.

Yes, china do. Otherwise companies just do what costs the least amount in expenses, damn the consequences.

fyp

[twocoach]

we don't need a lopsided agreement with paris to do the right thing. we know how to do it.

Yes, china do. Otherwise companies just do what costs the least amount in expenses, damn the consequences.

fyp

Is your only purpose to hang out and toss ignorant half-English statements into the discussion? Look at our own nation's treatment of the environment. We have a long history of doing the cheapest thing possible when it comes to handling waste materials etc... to make the most money as possible. Are we as bad as China or India? No. Which doesn't surprise me considering they each have 4x the population of the US in the same square miles (China) or in almost 1/3rd the square miles (India). But being the 2nd or 3rd most disgusting country in the world isn't exactly "Making America Great Again".

[ousdahl]

It is quite the free market condumdrum that recycling and using recycled materials tends to be more expensive than just using brand new

[ousdahl]

we don't need a lopsided agreement with paris to do the right thing. we know how to do it.

Yes, china do. Otherwise companies just do what costs the least amount in expenses, damn the consequences.

fyp

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -pollution

[ousdahl]

Curb emissions.
Reduce waste.
Conserve water.
Farm responsibly.
Fuck Mizzou

fyp

POTD

[KUTradition]

classic ignorant mich:

“suppling to the teat”

[ousdahl]

don't kink shame

[KUTradition]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... ?gnt-cfr=1

[KUTradition]

happy Earth Overshoot Day…

[twocoach]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... ?gnt-cfr=1

When did USA Today get purchased by The Onion?

[KUTradition]

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ntant-says

[twocoach]

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ntant-says

It seems that the desire to find a wealthy entity to sue for compensation drives change more frequently than the desire to simply do the right thing.

[KUTradition]

just heard that the last boats were pulled from the marina on the Great Salt Lake (might need a name change)…can’t wait for the arsenic- and heavy metal-laden dust storms

[KUTradition]

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ntant-says

It seems that the desire to find a wealthy entity to sue for compensation drives change more frequently than the desire to simply do the right thing.

yes and no, imo

there has been ample evidence for quite some time that the petroleum industry’s own internal scientists new what their product was doing, and yet a number of those companies actively pushed narratives and faulty denialism studies

in my mind, that’s no different than the tobacco industry (and honestly much worst due to the impact beyond humans), and warrants some level of repercussions

there is a line in the middle of that piece that i rather appreciated, and one which counters a common talking point of deniers and contrarians:

…Heede concedes that the responsibility is shared. "I as a consumer bear some responsibility for my own car, etcetera. But we're living an illusion if we think we're making choices, because the infrastructure pretty much makes those choices for us." He focused on fossil fuel companies, he says, because unlike industries that produce greenhouse gases as a byproduct (such as the automobile industry, which has adhered to increasingly strict mileage standards), the mission of fossil fuel companies is to pull carbon out of the ground and put it into commerce...

there are also plenty of examples of corporate entities voluntarily drastically changing their policies in an environmentally-positive way (but also plenty of green-washing)

[twocoach]

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ntant-says

It seems that the desire to find a wealthy entity to sue for compensation drives change more frequently than the desire to simply do the right thing.

yes and no, imo

there has been ample evidence for quite some time that the petroleum industry’s own internal scientists new what their product was doing, and yet a number of those companies actively pushed narratives and faulty denialism studies

in my mind, that’s no different than the tobacco industry (and honestly much worst due to the impact beyond humans), and warrants some level of repercussions

there is a line in the middle of that piece that i rather appreciated, and one which counters a common talking point of deniers and contrarians:

…Heede concedes that the responsibility is shared. "I as a consumer bear some responsibility for my own car, etcetera. But we're living an illusion if we think we're making choices, because the infrastructure pretty much makes those choices for us." He focused on fossil fuel companies, he says, because unlike industries that produce greenhouse gases as a byproduct (such as the automobile industry, which has adhered to increasingly strict mileage standards), the mission of fossil fuel companies is to pull carbon out of the ground and put it into commerce...

there are also plenty of examples of corporate entities voluntarily drastically changing their policies in an environmentally-positive way (but also plenty of green-washing)

I 100% agree with you. Our "choices" are dramatically limited in large part because of actions taken by the oil industry to squash our options. And yes, there are some companies who have voluntarily taken on additional expenses so that they can be more environmentally friendly. But they are dwarfed by the number of companies who fuck over the environment because it saves money to do so.

[KUTradition]

“But they are dwarfed by the number of companies who fuck over the environment because it saves money to do so.”

put another way, those companies make more money by not caring about the impacts of their products, human or otherwise (see the plastic industry as well…which, go figure, is directly linked to the petroleum industry)

i’m actually shocked that nobody has really gone after the plastic industry harder for its intentionally deceptive recycling labeling strategy

[KUTradition]

this shit is infuriating

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/11149642 ... a-vanadium

…Instead of the batteries becoming the next great American success story, the warehouse is now shuttered and empty. All the employees who worked there were laid off. And more than 5,200 miles away, a Chinese company is hard at work making the batteries in Dalian, China...

DoE fucked over the American public pretty badly here, with the help of American industry and investors

[ousdahl]

This has apparently been making the rounds too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-c ... 5.html?amp