14 Straight

[Deleted User 89]

i just don't see how anyone leaves off guys that were Players of the Year (or runners up)

There's a reason Marcus and Markieff played ahead of Robinson when they were here. Just because one player finishes higher in voting for a season award (that the players picked above him weren't even around for) doesn't make him the better player.

Right. Just look at the rosters. I loved Thomas Robinson, certainly one of my favorites ever. But he feasted on being one guy on a three-guy team. Those Morris years had double the competition for stats (including each other!).

neither of you think upperclassman TRob wouldn't have played more against the Morri? i don't really think its fair to compare them when they were on the same roster, due to age, experience, etc.

[ousdahl]

Chalmers started as a rookie.

Graham’s still bouncing in and out of d league.

[jfish26]

Chalmers started as a rookie.

Graham’s still bouncing in and out of d league.

Chalmers played 646 NBA games to date. I wouldn't bet on Graham playing more, but I don't think it would surprise anyone if he did.

[pdub]

"I think you're nuts to not have four guys who can put it on the floor and be credible from the perimeter, after these last several years."

UNC 2017.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Chalmers started as a rookie.

Graham’s still bouncing in and out of d league.

Different time, different team.

And if only college, there’s no good argument that Chalmers was better overall. Graham the best passer/vision of Self era along with Miles. Accolades aren’t close, either. Graham killed all of his roles, took Chalmers some time.

[jfish26]

"I think you're nuts to not have four guys who can put it on the floor and be credible from the perimeter, after these last several years."

UNC 2017.

I could give a shit about North Carolina right now.

[Cascadia]

Tyshawn
Mario
Wiggins
Embiid
Withey

[pdub]

I don't need Vonte as a distributor -- I have BIFM.
I need an off the ball shooter and it's a plus that he's also a better defender.
Hence Chalmers.

[pdub]

Tyshawn
Mario
Wiggins
Embiid
Withey

Tyshawn over Mason or Vonte is just silly.
College ( emphasis on college ) Embiid and Withey would not mix well on offense - they'd have similar roles in similar space.

[ousdahl]

Tyshawn may be my 6th man.

Long athletic scoring pg. I like the idea of a team getting bigger and faster off the bench.

[jfish26]

I don't need Vonte as a distributor -- I have BIFM.
I need an off the ball shooter and it's a plus that he's also a better defender.
Hence Chalmers.

I don't think it's at all settled that Chalmers is the better defender, or shooter for that matter.

But you can cherry-pick your way there, sure.

[pdub]

I'd have Marcus as my 6th man.
Could play him 3, 4 or 5 -- and throw another lighter look/longer shot on the court.
Then Rush right after him to plug in for defense, shooting - could rest Mason and play Chalmers at the PG and rest Chalmers and play Josh and Rush with Mason.

[NDballer13]

Chalmers also more athletic and with bigger wingspan.

And if we can use pro career as any metric, it indicates Mario was indeed the more talented guy, despite Devonte being the purer pg.

Maybe? Chalmers' NBA career was...nothing special at all. Book is just opening on Devonte's.

I think Mario's NBA career gets a bump because the situation he was in. He got drafted to a team that literally had no PG on the team and then 2 years later LeBron comes to town.

Graham got drafted to a team that has one of the best PGs in the league right now. He's not going to play over Kemba. If Graham came in and had to compete with Marcus Banks and Chris Quinn for the starting job, I bet he'd be just fine.

[jfish26]

Yes. Context matters.

[Cascadia]

I don't need Vonte as a distributor -- I have BIFM.
I need an off the ball shooter and it's a plus that he's also a better defender.
Hence Chalmers.

I don't think it's at all settled that Chalmers is the better defender, or shooter for that matter.

But you can cherry-pick your way there, sure.

Uh......what?!

[NDballer13]

I don't need Vonte as a distributor -- I have BIFM.
I need an off the ball shooter and it's a plus that he's also a better defender.
Hence Chalmers.

If that's your basis for picking that position, I'd take Rush over both of them.

Self's best teams had 2 guys who could distribute. Chalmers/Robinson/Collins. Collins/Taylor.
Mason/Graham.

[pdub]

Offense:
Graham's final season he shot 40% from the field and from 3.
Chalmers final season he shot 52% and 47% from 3.

Defense:
SPG.
NBA scouting reports when they first came out.
4th place in steals per game in the ENTIRE NBA one season.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle. ... ID=1522282
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle. ... ID=1521662

[pdub]

Well, Chalmers wasn't a slouch in distribution either.
In fact, when Chalmers played in 08, more off the ball, he averaged 4.3 APG.
When Vonte played off the ball in 17, he averaged 4.1 APG.

[pdub]

I don't need Vonte as a distributor -- I have BIFM.
I need an off the ball shooter and it's a plus that he's also a better defender.
Hence Chalmers.

I don't think it's at all settled that Chalmers is the better defender, or shooter for that matter.

But you can cherry-pick your way there, sure.

Uh......what?!

Yea.
JFish just wanted to use the word cherry-pick again.

[ousdahl]

Mario got drafted to a team with no pg in one sense, but did have one and then two of the biggest ball-in-their-hands superstars in the league at the time.

If anything he should get points for his versatility. He’s a combo guard who was still productive whether on or off the ball.