14 Straight

[jfish26]

Offense:
Graham's final season he shot 40% from the field and from 3.
Chalmers final season he shot 52% and 47% from 3.

Defense:
SPG.
NBA scouting reports when they first came out.
4th place in steals per game in the ENTIRE NBA one season.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle. ... ID=1522282
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle. ... ID=1521662

Steals tell...as must appeal to you...only a small part of the story.

Chalmers wasn't even the best defensive player in his own fucking backcourt (in fact he was probably third).

[ousdahl]

Whoa, Chalmers wasn’t as good as the two first-ballot hall of famers he played alongside?!

[jfish26]

...not what I meant.

[NDballer13]

I'm not saying you're wrong for picking Chalmers. I just don't think the gap is as wide as you're making it. Shooting percentages are one thing, now how many of Graham's shots did he have to create for himself compared to Chalmers? Graham's shooting numbers were better years 2-3 than they were year 4. That's not a coincidence.

[pdub]

Vonte didn't have slouches playing next to him either.
He had Mason and Josh Jackson for a year.
He had Svi and Malik for the next year.

Even in the year he had BIFM and Joshy, he shot 43% and 39% from 3.

[jfish26]

Vonte didn't have slouches playing next to him either.
He had Mason and Josh Jackson for a year.
He had Svi and Malik for the next year.

Even in the year he had BIFM and Joshy, he shot 43% and 39% from 3.

Chalmers played with two of the best four or five perimeter defenders Bill's had at KU.

[pdub]

If I had to pick a point, it'd be Vonte over Chalmers for sure. In fact, i'd likely pick him over Collins if I couldn't choose Mason.
I want a dead eye spot shooter at the 2 and a quick, lengthy defender, who can drive to the hoop.
Chalmers was the better defender by metrics/reviews/awards but you can argue that if you want, I certainly won't listen to that hogwash. He's also the better shooter when it comes to stats - but Vonte was better at creating his own shot - but Frank Mason has that in spades.

[NDballer13]

Chalmers first two years 37% and 40%.

Careers were Chalmers 41.9% and Graham 40.9%. You make it sound like Chalmers was some lights out, can't miss shooter while Graham was just "pretty good".

[NDballer13]

If I had to pick a point, it'd be Vonte over Chalmers for sure. In fact, i'd likely pick him over Collins if I couldn't choose Mason.
I want a dead eye spot shooter at the 2 and a quick, lengthy defender, who can drive to the hoop.
Chalmers was the better defender by metrics/reviews/awards but you can argue that if you want, I certainly won't listen to that hogwash. He's also the better shooter when it comes to stats - but Vonte was better at creating his own shot - but Frank Mason has that in spades.

Again, Rush? Why is it just between Graham and Chalmers for the 2?

[pdub]

I get junior Chalmers, right?
Or senior Vonte?
I was only speaking about their junior/sophomore years b/c that was brought up - but ideally we're comparing their final years at KU.

[pdub]

Rush is better suited at the 3 in college.
He's slower than Chalmers and couldn't dribble.
I like him off the bench to fill roles.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Chalmers wasn't even the best defensive player in his own fucking backcourt (in fact he was probably third).

No probably about it, Chalmers was the third best perimeter defender on the '08 team. But, he was still a better defender than Devonte' was. Not by a lot, though. Devonte' was a better offensive player than Chalmers was a defensive player, or stated otherwise, the gap on offense is bigger than the gap on defense.

If it came down to intangibles, though, that's not close. Graham way out front.

[pdub]

Ya'all are free to create your own lists.
I'm not tearing them down ( except for Cascadia's ).

[CrimsonNBlue]

I don't really like putting Rush at the 2 or Marcus at the 3--we don't really know how they'd fare there over an entire season. But, at least w/ Rush at the 2, he played there in the NBA. You can't call Cus a full-time wing in the NBA, not close.

[zsn]

Starting 5:
Mason
Chalmers
Rush
Wiggins
TRob

Bench:
Graham
Collins
Elijah
JoshJackson
Embiid
Aldrich
Withey

That completes your eligible roster.....could have gone with Simien or Shady instead of Josh Jackson

[NDballer13]

Rush is better suited at the 3 in college.
He's slower than Chalmers and couldn't dribble.
I like him off the bench to fill roles.

He played the 3, but I wouldn't really say he was better suited for one of the other. If you had a guy like Jackson at the 3, Rush would be a fantastic option at the 2. Not to mention the length that team would have defensively.

[NDballer13]

Starting 5:
Mason
Chalmers
Rush
Wiggins
TRob

Bench:
Graham
Collins
Elijah
JoshJackson
Embiid
Aldrich
Withey

That completes your eligible roster.....could have gone with Simien or Shady instead of Josh Jackson

You're disqualified from this conversation. Elijah? He wasn't even one of the best 12 guards during the streak let alone 12 best players.

[Deleted User 75]

The "all streak team" is pretty easy. Can't include 1 and dones as they only contribute 1 year...can't be a person who lost the conference, so no Wayne....

Mason
Graham
Collins
Marcus
TRob

[NDballer13]

Why would you not be able to include 1 and dones when guys like Wiggins and Jackson played just as big a factor in keeping it alive?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Why would you not be able to include 1 and dones when guys like Wiggins and Jackson played just as big a factor in keeping it alive?

I agree with you, but, weirdly, Elijah played a huge role in keeping it alive. More than a lot of the big names out there.