Let’s have a war!

[ousdahl]

Always was.

[KUTradition]

no

you continue to shit all over it because you’re a fucking child

[KUTradition]

US propaganda (feb 23, 2024):

Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin want to bring back lost colonies of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and want to occuply Poland and then Finland.

"Putin had an idea about a special operation for the six days. Instead of six days of special operation, what Putin planned, now we have like two years full scale war within all the horrible things. And it is not just a military conflict. We know that more than 20,000 kids has been deported to Russia. And all the awful things," he said.

"Putin has said already years ago, what is his plan. Restoration of imperium. So this is Russia wants to get back lost colonies. This is exactly what it is. And it didn't start, like two years ago. It started already with Georgia 2008. Georgia is partly occupied. And with Ukraine, it started 2014. And now it's a full scale war ongoing. And how we see from our perspective as a bordering country, and we were occupied 50 years from Soviet Union as well, is that Russia wants to get back the colonies. They want to get back as well. Baltic states, they want to get back Poland, they want to get back Finland and so on," he added...

why in the world would ANYONE believe that putin will stop now?

two things will stop him: 1) death, or 2) military might

[KUTradition]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 352080007/

nazis!

[jfish26]

US propaganda (feb 23, 2024):

Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin want to bring back lost colonies of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and want to occuply Poland and then Finland.

"Putin had an idea about a special operation for the six days. Instead of six days of special operation, what Putin planned, now we have like two years full scale war within all the horrible things. And it is not just a military conflict. We know that more than 20,000 kids has been deported to Russia. And all the awful things," he said.

"Putin has said already years ago, what is his plan. Restoration of imperium. So this is Russia wants to get back lost colonies. This is exactly what it is. And it didn't start, like two years ago. It started already with Georgia 2008. Georgia is partly occupied. And with Ukraine, it started 2014. And now it's a full scale war ongoing. And how we see from our perspective as a bordering country, and we were occupied 50 years from Soviet Union as well, is that Russia wants to get back the colonies. They want to get back as well. Baltic states, they want to get back Poland, they want to get back Finland and so on," he added...

why in the world would ANYONE believe that putin will stop now?

two things will stop him: 1) death, or 2) military might

"Wait and see (until we are treaty-bound to send American servicemembers to die)" does not seem like an optimal approach.

[jfish26]

Today, Belgium announced two things.

- Discovered a network of Putin's goons bribing EU politicians

- Rushing F-16's to Ukraine in the next 40 days instead of in 2025.

Probably unrelated.

https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/17809720 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

[twocoach]

Ok, time, twocoach. Despite your deflection of a response, I’ll bite:

YES, I think Putin would stop at Ukraine.

NO, I don’t think he would end up invading a NATO country too.

I say this not cuz I think Putin deserves any benefit of the doubt, but because that sort of “Putin won’t stop there” rhetoric is precisely the same bullshit our own government has deceived us with, over and over.

It’s like that famous anti-war dove peacenik George W. Bush said…

Do you have a legitimate reason to believe that Putin wouldn't stop there or are you just going with the "hey, that sounds like a slippery slope argument and I'm too smart to fall for those because I saw this meme once!"

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... ins-mercy/

AGAIN, the “Putin won’t stop there” is the same sort of bullshit rhetoric that turned out to be…well, bullshit.

Again, remember domino theory?

Heck, remember WMDs in Iraq?

What credibility does the U.S. war machine have here?

And holy shit, that article. “If Putin wins in Ukraine, will he go further?” just asking questions. I’ll take neo-Cold War propaganda for 800, Alex.

So you have no tangible reason for your beliefs other than that it fits your narrative. Got it.

[twocoach]

US propaganda (feb 23, 2024):

Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin want to bring back lost colonies of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and want to occuply Poland and then Finland.

"Putin had an idea about a special operation for the six days. Instead of six days of special operation, what Putin planned, now we have like two years full scale war within all the horrible things. And it is not just a military conflict. We know that more than 20,000 kids has been deported to Russia. And all the awful things," he said.

"Putin has said already years ago, what is his plan. Restoration of imperium. So this is Russia wants to get back lost colonies. This is exactly what it is. And it didn't start, like two years ago. It started already with Georgia 2008. Georgia is partly occupied. And with Ukraine, it started 2014. And now it's a full scale war ongoing. And how we see from our perspective as a bordering country, and we were occupied 50 years from Soviet Union as well, is that Russia wants to get back the colonies. They want to get back as well. Baltic states, they want to get back Poland, they want to get back Finland and so on," he added...

why in the world would ANYONE believe that putin will stop now?

two things will stop him: 1) death, or 2) military might

There have been dozens of different statements and comments from people who are actually involved in these types of things that back my belief that Putin will be emboldened to continue his pursuit of additional territory and its resources.

But Ous has some buzz words he learned reading social media memes so we're probably all wrong.

[KUTradition]

US propaganda (feb 23, 2024):

Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin want to bring back lost colonies of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and want to occuply Poland and then Finland.

"Putin had an idea about a special operation for the six days. Instead of six days of special operation, what Putin planned, now we have like two years full scale war within all the horrible things. And it is not just a military conflict. We know that more than 20,000 kids has been deported to Russia. And all the awful things," he said.

"Putin has said already years ago, what is his plan. Restoration of imperium. So this is Russia wants to get back lost colonies. This is exactly what it is. And it didn't start, like two years ago. It started already with Georgia 2008. Georgia is partly occupied. And with Ukraine, it started 2014. And now it's a full scale war ongoing. And how we see from our perspective as a bordering country, and we were occupied 50 years from Soviet Union as well, is that Russia wants to get back the colonies. They want to get back as well. Baltic states, they want to get back Poland, they want to get back Finland and so on," he added...

why in the world would ANYONE believe that putin will stop now?

two things will stop him: 1) death, or 2) military might

There have been dozens of different statements and comments from people who are actually involved in these types of things that back my belief that Putin will be emboldened to continue his pursuit of additional territory and its resources.

But Ous has some buzz words he learned reading social media memes so we're probably all wrong.

exactly

i don’t need to listen to what anyone here in the US is saying to form my own view/opinion…i choose to listen to what those in the region are saying, and perhaps more importantly actually doing (looking at you, Finland and Sweden), while also remembering russia’s actual decisions since putin took power

[jfish26]

Do you have a legitimate reason to believe that Putin wouldn't stop there or are you just going with the "hey, that sounds like a slippery slope argument and I'm too smart to fall for those because I saw this meme once!"

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... ins-mercy/

AGAIN, the “Putin won’t stop there” is the same sort of bullshit rhetoric that turned out to be…well, bullshit.

Again, remember domino theory?

Heck, remember WMDs in Iraq?

What credibility does the U.S. war machine have here?

And holy shit, that article. “If Putin wins in Ukraine, will he go further?” just asking questions. I’ll take neo-Cold War propaganda for 800, Alex.

So you have no tangible reason for your beliefs other than that it fits your narrative. Got it.

It's an inverse slippery slope argument: because there have been some slopes that ended up NOT being slippery, no slope should be presumed slippery.

Even when the guy at the top has his trunks on and is squirting Dawn down the slide.

[jfish26]

US propaganda (feb 23, 2024):

Foreign Minister of Estonia, Margus Tsahkna said on Friday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin want to bring back lost colonies of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and want to occuply Poland and then Finland.

"Putin had an idea about a special operation for the six days. Instead of six days of special operation, what Putin planned, now we have like two years full scale war within all the horrible things. And it is not just a military conflict. We know that more than 20,000 kids has been deported to Russia. And all the awful things," he said.

"Putin has said already years ago, what is his plan. Restoration of imperium. So this is Russia wants to get back lost colonies. This is exactly what it is. And it didn't start, like two years ago. It started already with Georgia 2008. Georgia is partly occupied. And with Ukraine, it started 2014. And now it's a full scale war ongoing. And how we see from our perspective as a bordering country, and we were occupied 50 years from Soviet Union as well, is that Russia wants to get back the colonies. They want to get back as well. Baltic states, they want to get back Poland, they want to get back Finland and so on," he added...

why in the world would ANYONE believe that putin will stop now?

two things will stop him: 1) death, or 2) military might

There have been dozens of different statements and comments from people who are actually involved in these types of things that back my belief that Putin will be emboldened to continue his pursuit of additional territory and its resources.

But Ous has some buzz words he learned reading social media memes so we're probably all wrong.

exactly

i don’t need to listen to what anyone here in the US is saying to form my own view/opinion…i choose to listen to what those in the region are saying, and perhaps more importantly actually doing (looking at you, Finland and Sweden), while also remembering russia’s actual decisions since putin took power

This is a critical thing, yes: one need not rely at all on what the US says about this, to form logical and supportable conclusions about what's happening here.

[Shirley]

This thread has become a fucking wasteland.

Wrong!

This thread rules. So enlightening.

Would read again.

[ousdahl]

Goddamnit you guys.

I was gonna just lay off this thread. I really was.

So, let me just say, the gaslight is burning bright today.

The truth is, I have plenty of tangible reasons for my beliefs. I don’t want this narrative to fit!

But, if I may say so as non-gaslighty as possible, and since fish already corroborated it, no amount of tangible reasons will suffice if you guys simply will not or cannot understand them.

In other words, I’m leading you horses to water. And not only are you not drinking, but you’re also acting like it’s my fault you’re thirsty.

But, fuck it, this is futile.

Imma just bring back the OG Qusdahl sock and spew shit like, “maybe we should just nuke Moscow!”

Cuz at this rate, I expect you guys to, genuinely and without irony, be like, “yea that sounds good let’s do it.”

[TDub]

holy fuck


thank you for your patience and understanding as you try to enlighten us with your amazing depth of knowledge. I'm sorry we dolts just can't understand your brilliance well enough to lap up the water you've provided. You're so smart, it'd truly something to behold. We wilt in the brightness of your presence.

[Sparko]

Goddamnit you guys.

I was gonna just lay off this thread. I really was.

So, let me just say, the gaslight is burning bright today.

The truth is, I have plenty of tangible reasons for my beliefs. I don’t want this narrative to fit!

But, if I may say so as non-gaslighty as possible, and since fish already corroborated it, no amount of tangible reasons will suffice if you guys simply will not or cannot understand them.

In other words, I’m leading you horses to water. And not only are you not drinking, but you’re also acting like it’s my fault you’re thirsty.

But, fuck it, this is futile.

Imma just bring back the OG Qusdahl sock and spew shit like, “maybe we should just nuke Moscow!”

Cuz at this rate, I expect you guys to, genuinely and without irony, be like, “yea that sounds good let’s do it.”

So condescending and weirdly stated Ous. Like a lot of your posts lately.

[japhy]

Peace for our time!

No seriously, Neville says it will work this time.

[MICHHAWK]

i would be cool with nuking moscow. for the record.

[twocoach]

Goddamnit you guys.

I was gonna just lay off this thread. I really was.

So, let me just say, the gaslight is burning bright today.

The truth is, I have plenty of tangible reasons for my beliefs. I don’t want this narrative to fit!

But, if I may say so as non-gaslighty as possible, and since fish already corroborated it, no amount of tangible reasons will suffice if you guys simply will not or cannot understand them.

In other words, I’m leading you horses to water. And not only are you not drinking, but you’re also acting like it’s my fault you’re thirsty.

But, fuck it, this is futile.

Imma just bring back the OG Qusdahl sock and spew shit like, “maybe we should just nuke Moscow!”

Cuz at this rate, I expect you guys to, genuinely and without irony, be like, “yea that sounds good let’s do it.”

Going with MICH's "I have a really good reason but you're not going to believe it anyways so I am not going to tell you what it is". Nice.

[ousdahl]

Once again, a helluva response to a post about gaslighting, twocoach.

If you REALLY want me to give you the reason, AGAIN, it’s that I don’t think we should trust the Ukraine war narrative cuz so many other war narratives turned out to be untrustworthy too.

That’s teed up for you now. If you want me to look like an idiot, then just articulate why the exact same dipshits who derped us about WMDs in Iraq are suddenly playing us straight on Ukraine.

It’s that simple!

Your move!

Or, if you want this thread to die, then simply stop replying, and I will too.

[KUTradition]

or, you could just let the adults discuss such matters