Shoe money trial

[pdub]

I know you struggle with it.
We just don't see things the same way.
I prefer to keep money out of college basketball as best we can and you don't care.

I'm fine with keeping the money out of college basketball too....but I'm not fine with the players being the only people not getting rich while everyone else gets rich off of the players contributions on the court.

The money should be funneled more to the Universities - for facilities and teachers.
And they should pump the breaks on all the commercialism of the product.
It will never happen b/c dolla dolla bills take precedence but that'd be what I would prefer to work towards.

[Deleted User 75]

Just like politics, if there's money to be made then corruption will exist. Take the money out of politics and it'll be a lot less corrupt. Take the money out of college sports and there will be a lot less corruption.

[Deleted User 75]

I know you struggle with it.
We just don't see things the same way.
I prefer to keep money out of college basketball as best we can and you don't care.

I'm fine with keeping the money out of college basketball too....but I'm not fine with the players being the only people not getting rich while everyone else gets rich off of the players contributions on the court.

The money should be funneled more to the Universities - for facilities and teachers.
And they should pump the breaks on all the commercialism of the product.
It will never happen b/c dolla dolla bills take precedence but that'd be what I would prefer to work towards.

Agreed. The athletes shouldn't have million dollar luxury apartments. They shouldn't have athletic facilities that normal students can't use.....if we are pretending they're just students who play a sport.

[pdub]

I think the athletes can have million dollar luxury apartments.
It is a University facility that will be reused over and over again.
It doesn't benefit one individual - it is similar to having a kick ass engineering building/facility - and Coach Self is one of the best 'professors' in the world.

There are college professors earning millions or close to millions of dollars a year.

Like Fish has said, I would like an option for athletes to have a specified program that caters to them being better professionals in their sport.

[ousdahl]

regarding the whole keeping the money out of college basketball thing: what about the whole fact this shady money has been in college basketball all along?

are there fans who really wanna say the past several decades - past always - of college hoops has sucked thus far just cuz players were getting money under the table?

is some pretense of amateurism really worth potentially loosing the best young talent in the world? Do we really want to encourage those players to go elsewhere?

if that did happen, do we really think college hoops would retain its status and popularity? Do we think, say, major media outlets are gonna bother throwing the money they do into broadcasting a bunch of Face Asses airballing free throws?

[ousdahl]

I know you struggle with it.
We just don't see things the same way.
I prefer to keep money out of college basketball as best we can and you don't care.

I'm fine with keeping the money out of college basketball too....but I'm not fine with the players being the only people not getting rich while everyone else gets rich off of the players contributions on the court.

The money should be funneled more to the Universities - for facilities and teachers.
And they should pump the breaks on all the commercialism of the product.
It will never happen b/c dolla dolla bills take precedence but that'd be what I would prefer to work towards.

why not just funnel the money to those actually making it?

[jfish26]

regarding the whole keeping the money out of college basketball thing: what about the whole fact this shady money has been in college basketball all along?

are there fans who really wanna say the past several decades - past always - of college hoops has sucked thus far just cuz players were getting money under the table?

is some pretense of amateurism really worth potentially loosing the best young talent in the world? Do we really want to encourage those players to go elsewhere?

if that did happen, do we really think college hoops would retain its status and popularity? Do we think, say, major media outlets are gonna bother throwing the money they do into broadcasting a bunch of Face Asses airballing free throws, while the good kids, who have been identified as exciting players from when they're 12, are playing in another televised league?

I would only add the bold. Otherwise, spot on.

[ousdahl]

I think the athletes can have million dollar luxury apartments.
It is a University facility that will be reused over and over again.
It doesn't benefit one individual - it is similar to having a kick ass engineering building/facility - and Coach Self is one of the best 'professors' in the world.

There are college professors earning millions or close to millions of dollars a year.

Like Fish has said, I would like an option for athletes to have a specified program that caters to them being better professionals in their sport.

well as long as any of those kick ass young engineering students don't have any top engineering firms offer a paid summer internship, right?

[Deleted User 75]

Maybe the thing that this whole situation has shown is that Nike and Adidas and the like should have no place in amateur college athletics. The ncaa should contract out uniforms to a company and every team should have the same types of uniforms with no logos. Because as long as there are logos and affiliations these companies have a reason to influence players to their brand schools.

[Deleted User 75]

is some pretense of amateurism really worth potentially loosing the best young talent in the world? Do we really want to encourage those players to go elsewhere?

No and no.

I doubt very many of our fans feel less satisfied with our final four because we played SDS and he was no longer an amateur.

[TDub]

Nike and Adidas sre investing in the opportunity to represent these kids omce they go pro. Very little has to do with college choice. Its all about hetting the hooks in early in pitential profit cows.

[TDub]

Also. I cannot type on this new phone

[Deleted User 75]

Nike and Adidas sre investing in the opportunity to represent these kids omce they go pro. Very little has to do with college choice. Its all about hetting the hooks in early in pitential profit cows.

I don't know about that. The Adidas guy said "what's best for Adidas" is these top Adidas kids going to Kansas and then everyone else can fall in line.

[DCHawk1]

I think they’re going to end up looking foolish. You think Kansas offered Zion something, and he went to Duke for free? I do not.

Same way I do not think Maryland offered Silvio something, and he went to Kansas for free.

There is a reason HCBS was so circumspect and cautious with his words when the story broke.

No one believes me, but I really do think there's a real chance we lose Bill over this. Not because he will get fired, but because he's really done almost everything there is to do at this level, and I could see him packing his shit and leaving before making KT a fall guy.

If I were him, I'd be tired of this shit already.

[pdub]

We've had this argument.
Unfortunately (fortunately) Vega deleted that massive thread.

I don't want the focus of college basketball athletes to be contracts, deals, endorsements. And it doesn't need to be. Fans follow schools not individual players. We don't need the top 50 players every year to still have an entertaining season. I want more four year kids with degrees than one and dones. Logistically how do you make this money funneling even across the board? Will some schools completely loose competitively and have to disband because they can't keep up with larger schools ( no it doesn't already happen to the scale that it would - and with pressure towards a system I've been pushing to, it certainly wouldn't get any worse )? Is Title IX an issue ( of course it will be ) ? Will recruiting now just become contract negotiations? Will agents be hanging out at AFH practice? Will school even be a thing at all? Why is this any different than the NBA? If I want to watch the NBA, i'll watch the NBA. There is something to be said about the purity of playing the game because you like it. I want more of those kinda players ( and the argument of 'thats impossible, everyone is about the money!' will fall on deaf ears with me because I simply disagree with that ). There's history and lore and pride and those things are actual things and are more important than cash flow.

[jfish26]

We've had this argument.
Unfortunately (fortunately) Vega deleted that massive thread.

I don't want the focus of college basketball athletes to be contracts, deals, endorsements. And it doesn't need to be. Fans follow schools not individual players. We don't need the top 50 players every year to still have an entertaining season. I want more four year kids with degrees than one and dones. Logistically how do you make this money funneling even across the board? Will some schools completely loose competitively and have to disband because they can't keep up with larger schools ( no it doesn't already happen to the scale that it would - and with pressure towards a system I've been pushing to, it certainly wouldn't get any worse )? Is Title IX an issue ( of course it will be ) ? Will recruiting now just become contract negotiations? Will agents be hanging out at AFH practice? Will school even be a thing at all? Why is this any different than the NBA? If I want to watch the NBA, i'll watch the NBA. There is something to be said about the purity of playing the game because you like it. I want more of those kinda players ( and the argument of 'thats impossible, everyone is about the money!' will fall on deaf ears with me because I simply disagree with that ). There's history and lore and pride and those things are actual things and are more important than cash flow.

Do you enjoy last season less now, knowing that Silvio (or someone around him) got paid?

[Deleted User 57]

There is a reason HCBS was so circumspect and cautious with his words when the story broke.

No one believes me, but I really do think there's a real chance we lose Bill over this. Not because he will get fired, but because he's really done almost everything there is to do at this level, and I could see him packing his shit and leaving before making KT a fall guy.

If I were him, I'd be tired of this shit already.

I'm not making 5 million a year and don't have have a shit load of people who would stand in line to blow me simply because I'm the head basketball coach of an elite college program- so I can't say how tired of the shit I would be or not - if I were him.

[pdub]

We've had this argument.
Unfortunately (fortunately) Vega deleted that massive thread.

I don't want the focus of college basketball athletes to be contracts, deals, endorsements. And it doesn't need to be. Fans follow schools not individual players. We don't need the top 50 players every year to still have an entertaining season. I want more four year kids with degrees than one and dones. Logistically how do you make this money funneling even across the board? Will some schools completely loose competitively and have to disband because they can't keep up with larger schools ( no it doesn't already happen to the scale that it would - and with pressure towards a system I've been pushing to, it certainly wouldn't get any worse )? Is Title IX an issue ( of course it will be ) ? Will recruiting now just become contract negotiations? Will agents be hanging out at AFH practice? Will school even be a thing at all? Why is this any different than the NBA? If I want to watch the NBA, i'll watch the NBA. There is something to be said about the purity of playing the game because you like it. I want more of those kinda players ( and the argument of 'thats impossible, everyone is about the money!' will fall on deaf ears with me because I simply disagree with that ). There's history and lore and pride and those things are actual things and are more important than cash flow.

Do you enjoy last season less now, knowing that Silvio (or someone around him) got paid?

I can't go back in time and take the joy out of watching those games but now at this moment, yea, for sure.
There's a black eye.
If it's found out that those involved at Kansas were responsible with getting him and his people tens of thousands of dollars, then absolutely, it's not as good a season.

In a very PhD microcosm sense, if I watch a single basketball game, say Svi Myhkailiuk's travel vs ksu, it isn't as enjoyable to me after the fact if we won with some controversy then had we won without it.

[Deleted User 75]

I don't want the focus of college basketball athletes to be contracts, deals, endorsements. And it doesn't need to be. Fans follow schools not individual players.

Then it shouldn't be about those things for the school and coaches.

Then I'm fine with it.


I disagree fans follow schools and not players. Some fans are like that, maybe even many/most. Some are not. Not every KU fan was a KU student. I'm sure Kansas has some young Canadian fans now purely because of Andrew Wiggins coming here. I know countless Duke fans my age who didn't go to duke, but like them because they always win and have good players.

[jfish26]

Nike and Adidas sre investing in the opportunity to represent these kids omce they go pro. Very little has to do with college choice. Its all about hetting the hooks in early in pitential profit cows.

I don't know about that. The Adidas guy said "what's best for Adidas" is these top Adidas kids going to Kansas and then everyone else can fall in line.

Mellinger made a great point about this. It is striking, and very telling, that just the chance that they can influence a guy - a guy who might just have a chance at being an NBA player - is worth 5-6 figures to the shoe companies.