The illegal immigrants want in

[twocoach]

We arent at zero with Americans moving to Mexico legally.

What's wrong with LEGAL immigration?

It's racist to ask non-whites to follow the rules.

For the 10th time, no one here wants open borders. We want fellow humans who happen to have been born in a very undesirable location and who would prefer to come here to enjoy the freedoms and opportunities we enjoy to be treated like humans and have a chance to legally apply to do so.

Treating them all like sub-humans is my problem with Trump's immigration policies and rhetoric, not that they aren't just having the gates thrown open. I dont want that.

Build more processing centers and hire more judges, social workers, lawyers and translators, not private detention facilities designed to terrorize people into being as afraid of us as they are the crime ridden streets of where they came from while fattening the wallets of GOP donors that own the facilities.

[twocoach]

What's wrong with LEGAL immigration?

Legal.

You mean, like, coming to America and applying for citizenship?

How is that even possible under Trump?

He is capping it at 30,000 per year. That is not an insignificant number, especially considering the burden it places on the rest of us.

If 30,000 was enough, there would be no market for illegal workers.

[jhawks99]

Six pages in and I don't think anyone has mentioned that much of the violence they are fleeing is caused by drug use here in the US. We as a nation have fueled the violence but don't want to take any responsibility to help resolve it.

[twocoach]

Stop immigration by legalizing marijuana. I love it!

[ousdahl]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/am ... 67a87ddc1f

American militias head to the border

[HouseDivided]

Legal.

You mean, like, coming to America and applying for citizenship?

How is that even possible under Trump?

He is capping it at 30,000 per year. That is not an insignificant number, especially considering the burden it places on the rest of us.

If 30,000 was enough, there would be no market for illegal workers.

Disagree. People are coming in regardless of market because they know that, if they have a baby on this side of the line, they have a free meal ticket. It is exactly why Trump's upcoming executive order is going to be such a powerful deterrent.

[Geezer]

Don't let that pesky constitution stand in the way.

[HouseDivided]

Don't let that pesky constitution stand in the way.

You're smart enough to know that the 14th Amendment pertains specifically to freed slaves. If it were covered under the Constitution, Coolidge wouldn't have had to sign the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924 so Native Americans could be citizens and vote.

Trump is well within his purview, especially in light of the precedent set by BO with his 276 executive orders.

[twocoach]

He is capping it at 30,000 per year. That is not an insignificant number, especially considering the burden it places on the rest of us.

If 30,000 was enough, there would be no market for illegal workers.

Disagree. People are coming in regardless of market because they know that, if they have a baby on this side of the line, they have a free meal ticket. It is exactly why Trump's upcoming executive order is going to be such a powerful deterrent.

Even Republican congress members know that isnt going to happen.

[Mjl]

Don't let that pesky constitution stand in the way.

You're smart enough to know that the 14th Amendment pertains specifically to freed slaves. If it were covered under the Constitution, Coolidge wouldn't have had to sign the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924 so Native Americans could be citizens and vote.

Trump is well within his purview, especially in light of the precedent set by BO with his 276 executive orders.

That may have been the initial inyent of the amendment, but no, the wording does not say it only pertains to slaves.

[twocoach]

Don't let that pesky constitution stand in the way.

You're smart enough to know that the 14th Amendment pertains specifically to freed slaves. If it were covered under the Constitution, Coolidge wouldn't have had to sign the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924 so Native Americans could be citizens and vote.

Trump is well within his purview, especially in light of the precedent set by BO with his 276 executive orders.

If we're going to play that silly game then you're smart enough to know that the 2nd Amendment was about allowing for an armed militia because a standing army was seen as a threat to our new nation.

So if you want to end birthright citizenship then disassemble the military, arm all citizens and train them to be militia members.

See how dumb this gets?

[HouseDivided]

Don't let that pesky constitution stand in the way.

You're smart enough to know that the 14th Amendment pertains specifically to freed slaves. If it were covered under the Constitution, Coolidge wouldn't have had to sign the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924 so Native Americans could be citizens and vote.

Trump is well within his purview, especially in light of the precedent set by BO with his 276 executive orders.

If we're going to play that silly game then you're smart enough to know that the 2nd Amendment was about allowing for an armed militia because a standing army was seen as a threat to our new nation.

So if you want to end birthright citizenship then disassemble the military, arm all citizens and train them to be militia members.

See how dumb this gets?

I see how dumb YOU'RE getting. Do I get any points for that?

[PhDhawk]

For the 10th time, no one here wants open borders.

Quit speaking for the board, speak for yourself.

[HouseDivided]

If 30,000 was enough, there would be no market for illegal workers.

Disagree. People are coming in regardless of market because they know that, if they have a baby on this side of the line, they have a free meal ticket. It is exactly why Trump's upcoming executive order is going to be such a powerful deterrent.

Even Republican congress members know that isnt going to happen.

It can and it will. Showing up and crapping out a baby on one side of the line does not entitle you to citizenship. Common sense prevails.

[Deleted User 104]

Stop immigration by legalizing marijuana. I love it!

Not disagreeing you at all, but just be aware that many of these legal weed stores are owned/controlled by Mexican gangs. Having said that, it's still much better than the illegal weed situation.

[Deleted User 104]

Treating them all like sub-humans is my problem with Trump's immigration policies and rhetoric, not that they aren't just having the gates thrown open. I dont want that.

Maybe there's some truth to this, but maybe there's also some truth that some of the people immigrating have very undesirable subcultures. If you talk to the Chinese people in Los Angeles, the ones that buy homes are asking if Mexicans live next to the home they are interested in buying. Why? It's nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Mexicans are often louder, messier, ruder, higher crime, etc.

Just last week there was an elderly Asian woman who was run over by a Mexican guy in San Gabriel. This happened in an intersection I often go through. Both the woman and a 1-year-old was killed. The guy drove away and was eventually caught. Turns out, he had 3 previous DUI's. Sometimes there's some truth to what Trump says about them not sending their best. Being part Mexican myself, I recognize the problems with our subculture.

[twocoach]

Treating them all like sub-humans is my problem with Trump's immigration policies and rhetoric, not that they aren't just having the gates thrown open. I dont want that.

Maybe there's some truth to this, but maybe there's also some truth that some of the people immigrating have very undesirable subcultures. If you talk to the Chinese people in Los Angeles, the ones that buy homes are asking if Mexicans live next to the home they are interested in buying. Why? It's nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Mexicans are often louder, messier, ruder, higher crime, etc.

Just last week there was an elderly Asian woman who was run over by a Mexican guy in San Gabriel. This happened in an intersection I often go through. Both the woman and a 1-year-old was killed. The guy drove away and was eventually caught. Turns out, he had 3 previous DUI's. Sometimes there's some truth to what Trump says about them not sending their best. Being part Mexican myself, I recognize the problems with our subculture.

I am fairly certain that a 5 second google search would find a shitty, high crime white neighborhood and a white guy with multiple DUIs who killed someone while drunk. Should we now deport all poor white people or any whites with a DUI from our country just in case they are more likely to cause a problem?

In early August, a 22 year old white girl was sentenced here in Omaha to 40 years in jail for a DUI crash that killed a 14 year old kid. Drunk drivers suck. Period. It's not a Mexican problem, it's a wordwide societal problem.

[Deleted User 75]

For the 10th time, no one here wants open borders. We want fellow humans who happen to have been born in a very undesirable location and who would prefer to come here to enjoy the freedoms and opportunities we enjoy to be treated like humans and have a chance to legally apply to do so.

Much of the world is probably classified as an undesirable location compared to here.

[Deleted User 75]

For the 10th time, no one here wants open borders.

Quit speaking for the board, speak for yourself.

Gotta agree with this.

I find twocoach to be a reasonable and moderate lefty....but they're not all like that. I agree with a lot of what he says at times concerning policy and solutions to problems. I wish more on the left thought as reasonably as he does (most of the time).

[twocoach]

You can probably find someone that wants wide open borders just as you can find someone who thinks The Purge should be a real thing.

Some people just cheer for anarchy. They are a small enough group that they can just be pointed at in laughter and then ignored. The rest just want all humans to be treated with humanity. Someone isn't less human because they were unfortunate enough to have been born on the other side of our border.