Bracketology 2020-21

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SOS Iowa: 14
Kansas: 17

[NewtonHawk11]

USA Today has KU as a 3. In the Illinois region. Va Tech as the 6 and Drake as the 11. Bama as the 2.

Would take.

[Deleted User 289]

USA Today has KU as a 3. In the Illinois region. Va Tech as the 6 and Drake as the 11. Bama as the 2.

Would take.

Time out! Easy to say TODAY Illinois may be a 1 seed.
Let me know what they are after they lose their next two games - to Michigan on the road and Ohio State on the road - and then don't win the Big 10 Tournament.
Fuck Illinois!

[PhDhawk]

One thing that should come into play, is the S-curve.

With no geographical considerations, they should follow the S-curve all the way down.

The reason that matters, is that, for example, being the top 3 seed (9th place) as opposed to being the last 3 seed (12th place) should matter more than in other years. I would assume that would mean if you're the top 3 seed, you get paired with the worst 2 seed (8th, rather than 5th for the last 3 seed) and you get the worst 4 seed to (16th team overall, rather than 13th).

I'd say right now we're probabaly a low 3 seed (11th or 12th overall). But could jump up to the 8th, 9th, 10th range.

[NewtonHawk11]

Agreed. I think they are according, to many, a low 3 or a high 4. Borderline. With 2 wins in KC, they will be a low 2 or a high 3.

[jfish26]

Agreed. I think they are according, to many, a low 3 or a high 4. Borderline. With 2 wins in KC, they will be a low 2 or a high 3.

And with three wins in KC, one of them being Baylor, they've got an outside shot at a 1.

[jfish26]

One thing that should come into play, is the S-curve.

With no geographical considerations, they should follow the S-curve all the way down.

The reason that matters, is that, for example, being the top 3 seed (9th place) as opposed to being the last 3 seed (12th place) should matter more than in other years. I would assume that would mean if you're the top 3 seed, you get paired with the worst 2 seed (8th, rather than 5th for the last 3 seed) and you get the worst 4 seed to (16th team overall, rather than 13th).

I'd say right now we're probabaly a low 3 seed (11th or 12th overall). But could jump up to the 8th, 9th, 10th range.

I have read that geography will be disregarded, but they will still try to avoid conference rematches in the first two (?) rounds.

[PhDhawk]

One thing that should come into play, is the S-curve.

With no geographical considerations, they should follow the S-curve all the way down.

The reason that matters, is that, for example, being the top 3 seed (9th place) as opposed to being the last 3 seed (12th place) should matter more than in other years. I would assume that would mean if you're the top 3 seed, you get paired with the worst 2 seed (8th, rather than 5th for the last 3 seed) and you get the worst 4 seed to (16th team overall, rather than 13th).

I'd say right now we're probabaly a low 3 seed (11th or 12th overall). But could jump up to the 8th, 9th, 10th range.

I have read that geography will be disregarded, but they will still try to avoid conference rematches in the first two (?) rounds.

ah, I didn't think about that.

[NewtonHawk11]

Agreed. I think they are according, to many, a low 3 or a high 4. Borderline. With 2 wins in KC, they will be a low 2 or a high 3.

And with three wins in KC, one of them being Baylor, they've got an outside shot at a 1.

Who was it a few years back that got a 1 or a 2 with 10 losses? Was it UNC?

[jfish26]

Agreed. I think they are according, to many, a low 3 or a high 4. Borderline. With 2 wins in KC, they will be a low 2 or a high 3.

And with three wins in KC, one of them being Baylor, they've got an outside shot at a 1.

Who was it a few years back that got a 1 or a 2 with 10 losses? Was it UNC?

This year it really shouldn't matter; all schedules are not created remotely equal even in terms of number of games played.

If we pick up three Q1 wins next week, including another over Baylor, I cannot imagine there are four teams with better wins.

And, in that scenario, every one of our eight losses even will be Q1!

[PhDhawk]

Right, and it definitely felt like that had been the direction the selection committee had been going the past several years anyway.

Much more about "who'd you play and who'd you beat" than about just taking care of business...which I think mattered more in the past.

[Deleted User 89]

I mean, it's pretty obvious should be a 3 right now. If they had to split this week, this was the way to do it.

Don't get the Iowa love. They're good, but similar records and worse loss, don't think they are 2 spots better than KU.

i think it’s more conference love than iowa

[PhDhawk]

I mean, it's pretty obvious should be a 3 right now. If they had to split this week, this was the way to do it.

Don't get the Iowa love. They're good, but similar records and worse loss, don't think they are 2 spots better than KU.

i think it’s more conference love than iowa

More should be given to Michigan and Illinois then.

I think people were big on tOSU and Iowa beat them twice. But maybe we need to re-evaluate tOSU since they've lost 3 in a row.

[Deleted User 89]

fwiw, i’m not sold on the B1G

[Deleted User 289]

Agreed. I think they are according, to many, a low 3 or a high 4. Borderline. With 2 wins in KC, they will be a low 2 or a high 3.

And with three wins in KC, one of them being Baylor, they've got an outside shot at a 1.

Who was it a few years back that got a 1 or a 2 with 10 losses? Was it UNC?

Yes. They were an "at large" 2 seed in the West and lost to 7 seed Texas A&M.
The 1 seed (Xavier) also lost their 2nd game (to FSU).
That was when 9 seed KSU played 11 seed Loyola in the Elite Eight.

On another note, I'm leery when people say things such as "the weakest" 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 seed.
On "paper" a team may appear to be the weakest (or the strongest) but it's not something that can be proven and/or factual - as far as I am concerned.

[Deleted User 289]

fwiw, i’m not sold on the B1G

Nor am I but I still feel they have at least 3 if not 4 teams that have a decent shot at winning the NC.

[Deleted User 89]

fwiw, i’m not sold on the B1G

Nor am I but I still feel they have at least 3 if not 4 teams that have a decent shot at winning the NC.

right

and i think the same could be said for the Big12

[Deleted User 289]

I don't disagree.
Meanwhile, I can't figure out this season - at all.
As I said yesterday, a team like MSU may not make the tourney and they have proven they could beat more than one top 5 team.
Not too sure how many other teams that will make the tournament can lay that claim.

[NewtonHawk11]

ESPN
Kansas as a 3

Eastern Washington first matchup. Tennessee and VCU 6/11.

Iowa as the 2 and Gonzaga as the 1.

Not ideal.

[NewtonHawk11]

Kansas wins at least their next 3 games, they are a 2 seed.

Kansas wins next 2 games, they are a 3 seed.

Kansas wins Thursday and loses first round of Big 12 tournament, 4 seed.

It seems that simple.