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jfish26 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm I do not know how to post the embedded image, but this is very very important.

https://x.com/radiofreetom/status/17320 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
Unremitting propaganda from Trump and his republican cult, Murdoch, Xi, and Vladimir et al, works?

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I hope this is just a long lag in perception. If it's actually just mass delusion - a fever that doesn't seem to break - we're in deep and inevitable political trouble next year.

This is from the @FT: Americans are *wildly* wrong about the economy.

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I did read that a very similar dynamic played out in 1983...and that the fever did break by Election Day.
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:00 pm I did read that a very similar dynamic played out in 1983...and that the fever did break by Election Day.
A year out no one knows what to expect, but I hate to have to count on it.

That was back when there were still only a few TV channels, that all attempted to stick to reality-based info for the most part, and before social media where the propagandists could so easily "catapult" their misinformation.

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
GWB May 24, 2005

Biden should take GWB's advice...
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Overlander wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:08 pm My concern is two fold:

Biden wins (as he should) and half the country turns violent toward the Government.

Trump wins, and our own Government turns violent toward half of the people.

Someone tell me another possible scenario.
A younger democratic candidate with a better chance to beat Trump than Biden.

(What do I win?)
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Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list…
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:39 am Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list…
Mike Flynn as Secretary of State?
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jhawks99 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:18 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:39 am Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list…
Mike Flynn as Secretary of State?
That is a LOT of convicted criminals on ONE Presidential Cabinet. But, if you elect a Convict as President, what else would you expect?
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Overlander wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:17 pm
jhawks99 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:18 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:39 am Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

Mike Flynn as Secretary of State?
That is a LOT of convicted criminals on ONE Presidential Cabinet. But, if you elect a Convict as President, what else would you expect?
Of course, on Day One, he’s telling you he’ll wipe away all federal convictions (and use the levers of government to practically terminate all state-level prosecutions).
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So, they won't be convicted criminals anymore.
Pretty convenient
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Overlander wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:21 pm So, they won't be convicted criminals anymore.
Pretty convenient
^^^

It will go nicely with the best Supreme Court "conservative" republican billionaires, could buy.
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And this is what the end of the rule of law looks like. It isn't Trump (or anyone else) declaring himself dictator. It's just a bunch of things, big and small, that when taken together render one unaccountable for one's actions.
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:39 am Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list…
Ironically, if you've read Vance's book, you know that he fucking HATED Trump in 2016.

It's grifters all the way down...
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DCHawk1 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:05 pm
jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:39 am Needs the Twitter meme where 20% of the country shakes hands with the Biden campaign.

https://x.com/jimvandehei/status/173272 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
🚨🚨 Trump’s loyalty-first cabinet. EXCLUSIVE details: 1. Melania wants @tuckercarlson for VP. 2. Stephen Miller 4 Attorney General. 3. Tucker pushing Steve Bannon as Chief of Staff. 4. JD Vance up for a big gig, on VP short list…
Ironically, if you've read Vance's book, you know that he fucking HATED Trump in 2016.

It's grifters all the way down...
I haven’t read Vance’s book. But it’s fitting that, at bottom, he’s a poor man’s (but not a Poor Man’s, if you catch my drift) Ted Cruz.
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weird knowing exactly where that pic was taken
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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KUTradition wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 1:49 pm weird knowing exactly where that pic was taken
Ha - nice spot!
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Well, this should send his cult into a tizzy:

(And it could be horrible news for demos.)

Donald Trump is barred from Colorado’s 2024 primary ballot, the state Supreme Court rules

In a historic decision Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court barred Donald Trump from running in the state’s presidential primary after determining that he had engaged in insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021.
The ruling marked the first time a court kept a presidential candidate off the ballot under an 1868 provision of the Constitution that prevents insurrectionists from holding office. The ruling comes as courts consider similar cases in other states.

The decision is certain to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, but it will be up to the justices to decide whether to take the case. Scholars have said only the nation’s high court can settle the issue of whether the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol constituted an insurrection and whether Trump is banned from running.

“A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” the decision reads. “Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.”

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Yay. He needs to go and live with his binder of secrets. In Russia.
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I don’t think there’s anything remotely complicated about what the founders meant by Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment.

I also don’t think there’s any better than a, say, three-in-nine chance this holds up. Somewhat ironically, I would actually be significantly more optimistic about this case if Trump wasn’t already facing at least four material, die-in-prison-type prosecutions.
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jfish26 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:36 pm I don’t think there’s anything remotely complicated about what the founders meant by Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment.

I also don’t think there’s any better than a, say, three-in-nine chance this holds up. Somewhat ironically, I would actually be significantly more optimistic about this case if Trump wasn’t already facing at least four material, die-in-prison-type prosecutions.
Good thing our SCOTUS is rife with originalists, and textualists...
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