F the NCAA

Kansas Basketball.
RainbowsandUnicorns
Contributor
Posts: 9647
Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:19 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by RainbowsandUnicorns »

BasketballJayhawk wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:09 pm Should have happened years ago. Totally incompetent.
If he wasn't incompetent there is a decent chance KU Basketball wouldn't have cut down the net/s this season.

Image
MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 am
your posting history on this this site alone. says you should not be calling other people stupid.
Deleted User 863

Re: F the NCAA

Post by Deleted User 863 »

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:33 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:09 pm Should have happened years ago. Totally incompetent.
If he wasn't incompetent there is a decent chance KU Basketball wouldn't have cut down the net/s this season.

Image
Or he'd have gotten the punishment out of the way 3 or 4 years ago.
User avatar
CrimsonNBlue
Posts: 17405
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:30 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by CrimsonNBlue »

Emmert is easy to hate and a worthy villain. But can't forget that most of his tenure was just enforcing the rules that the schools wanted enforced.

The NCAA empire is on its last breaths.
jfish26
Contributor
Posts: 16327
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:41 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by jfish26 »

CrimsonNBlue wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:07 pm Emmert is easy to hate and a worthy villain. But can't forget that most of his tenure was just enforcing the rules that the schools wanted enforced.

The NCAA empire is on its last breaths.
And I’m hopeful that this is indicative of a general waning of the commitment to the fight.
User avatar
Cascadia
Posts: 6677
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:15 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by Cascadia »

Emmert also with a super punchable face
Sparko
Contributor
Posts: 15427
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:01 pm

Re: F the NCAA

Post by Sparko »

CrimsonNBlue wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:07 pm Emmert is easy to hate and a worthy villain. But can't forget that most of his tenure was just enforcing the rules that the schools wanted enforced.

The NCAA empire is on its last breaths.
Some schools. Themselves beyond punishment
hoopla
Posts: 585
Joined: Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Re: F the NCAA

Post by hoopla »

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:33 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:09 pm Should have happened years ago. Totally incompetent.
If he wasn't incompetent there is a decent chance KU Basketball wouldn't have cut down the net/s this season.
where's that guttermeter button... ?
hoopla
Posts: 585
Joined: Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Re: F the NCAA

Post by hoopla »

Sparko wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:05 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:07 pm Emmert is easy to hate and a worthy villain. But can't forget that most of his tenure was just enforcing the rules that the schools wanted enforced.

The NCAA empire is on its last breaths.
Some schools. Themselves beyond punishment
1. i was on board w/ the dan wetzel piece ripping emmert to shreds until he started talking nonsense about KU, just the lens through which some people see this is confusing to me (esp when there's a common villain);
2. there is a world where emmert did a decent job, if you're judging the way most jobs are, by bottom line. 2 contracts extended through 2030 bringing in >$1 billion/yr, not bad right. maybe he was really hired to be the face of PR disasters everywhere while the money keeps flowing? job done.
RainbowsandUnicorns
Contributor
Posts: 9647
Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:19 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by RainbowsandUnicorns »

hoopla wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:57 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:33 pm
BasketballJayhawk wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:09 pm Should have happened years ago. Totally incompetent.
If he wasn't incompetent there is a decent chance KU Basketball wouldn't have cut down the net/s this season.
where's that guttermeter button... ?
Ask and you shall receive.

MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 am
your posting history on this this site alone. says you should not be calling other people stupid.
User avatar
CrimsonNBlue
Posts: 17405
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:30 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by CrimsonNBlue »

jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:37 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:07 pm Emmert is easy to hate and a worthy villain. But can't forget that most of his tenure was just enforcing the rules that the schools wanted enforced.

The NCAA empire is on its last breaths.
And I’m hopeful that this is indicative of a general waning of the commitment to the fight.
In no way can the schools go with a successor that doesn't have a wildly different philosophy from the NCAA in the majority of its existence.
User avatar
MICHHAWK
Posts: 5522
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:01 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by MICHHAWK »

don't get too big of a boner. says he ain't stepping down until june 2023.





says he wants to stick around long enough to see the fbi cases through to their completion.
Last edited by MICHHAWK on Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
NDballer13
Posts: 1734
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:08 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by NDballer13 »

At the latest. Could be gone as soon as next week if they hire a replacement.

But, it's still the NCAA, so yeah, June 2023.
User avatar
CrimsonNBlue
Posts: 17405
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:30 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by CrimsonNBlue »

MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:14 am don't get too big of a boner. says he ain't stepping down until june 2023.





says he wants to stick around long enough to see the fbi cases through to their completion.
I did not see that part.

And while too big of a big boner would never be a concern of mine, I'm not sure what you mean.
Sparko
Contributor
Posts: 15427
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:01 pm

Re: F the NCAA

Post by Sparko »

FBI stuff and NCAA. Impotent boner killing potables for $500. And the Daily Double.
jfish26
Contributor
Posts: 16327
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:41 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by jfish26 »

MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:14 am don't get too big of a boner. says he ain't stepping down until june 2023.





says he wants to stick around long enough to see the fbi cases through to their completion.
What does "says" mean? I think we're missing a "MICH thinks this..." phrase, leading in.

Because if Emmert himself said that...well I'd imagine KU's lawyers would do backflips.
Deleted User 863

Re: F the NCAA

Post by Deleted User 863 »

Emmert no longer has any say in what happens to us. Thankfully.
jfish26
Contributor
Posts: 16327
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:41 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by jfish26 »

I highly recommend the whole thing, not just what I'm excerpting here (bolding mine).

O’Neil: It’s time to rethink the role of NCAA president, who is qualified to lead it

https://theathletic.com/3276014/2022/04 ... o-lead-it/
It is easy to retread over the inefficient, borderline feckless, tenure of Mark Emmert. The fish, in that case, are stuffed to the gills in the barrel, awaiting their execution. It serves no purpose. Going backward does not undo all that has been done; it only serves to aggravate and agitate an already aggravated and agitated group of constituents. So let’s just agree to agree that Emmert was not good at being the NCAA president, that he turned a puppet position into a vainglorious attempt to blow smoke up his own posterior rather than consider the greater good; that he never understood that his job was to represent the masses and not himself; and that given the rare opportunity to serve as the talking head he usually bungled that, too. We present to you, as exhibit A, your newly crowned NCAA men’s basketball champions, the Kansas City Jayhawks.

So let’s not waste too much time here burying Emmert alongside his puffery. Ding, dong, the witch and all, gone in June 2023. Instead let’s turn to the future. Because this is where Emmert — and by extension — the NCAA long has failed. Constantly transfixed by that which is directly in front of it, the national body could never see even six inches down the road. Most everyone, for example, saw name, image and likeness coming and yet the NCAA managed to get flattened like a cartoon character walking in front of a semi. This, then, is an opportunity — perhaps the best one in the history of the NCAA — to actually devise a plan for a productive, insightful and even effective (gasp!) future.

The national body — and its member institutions — are currently in the process of overhauling and reimagining the entire structure of the NCAA, having already approved a new constitution. Some, including Mike Krzyzewski, might argue that it’s already lost in the weeds, worrying too much about enforcement and not enough about organization. At the very least, though, everything is on the table. So why not put the NCAA president’s bona fides up for reconsideration, too? In the past, he (and it’s always been a he) has been a former university president and/or chancellor selected by a group of other university presidents and/or chancellors, each of whom knows as much about governing college athletics as Krzyzewski does designing an organic chemistry curriculum.

The idea was to keep a separation of church and state, to make sure that the academics kept the purity of college athletics alive. In reality, it’s been about keeping the sanctimony first and foremost, and pretending that college athletics is not a multi-million-dollar business for all involved, save until very recently, the actual athletes themselves. Presidents have routinely and regularly sat alongside Emmert at the various dais and pounded their well-appointed loafers, aghast at the money-making of college sports while happily pocketing the riches their universities received at the behest of college sports. They made rules that made good sense in their ivory-towered, tone-deaf offices, but were practically impossible to enforce in the real world.

Their world finally started to collapse like the house of cards it was built on, somewhere between the O’Bannon lawsuit filing, a collection of bungled enforcement cases, the FBI investigation, and Shabazz Napier proclaiming his fellow athletes’ hunger just after the final strains of One Shining Moment played out.

So now that we’ve ripped the Band-Aid off, and exposed the reality of college sports — and lived to tell about it — why not use Emmert’s removal/retirement as a chance to make the top-down process right? Do away with the old model and find a savvy person to govern college athletics, someone who has removed the rose-colored glasses and sees the whole thing for its truths, warts and all. Redoing the bylaw, or reworking the job description language should, frankly, be at the top of the to-do list right now — and then, after the president’s office is reshaped, redo the board of governors, too. No need to ditch all of the university presidents, but temper the high-brow with a few people who will at least speak real truths into existence.
User avatar
CrimsonNBlue
Posts: 17405
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:30 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by CrimsonNBlue »

Oh man, I refuse to acknowledge that Dana O'Neil could still write something I agree with.
jfish26
Contributor
Posts: 16327
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:41 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by jfish26 »

CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:31 pm Oh man, I refuse to acknowledge that Dana O'Neil could still write something I agree with.
It's sort of fascinating, I've seen a few national people with knives out. Doesn't take much detective experience to figure out what's happening here.
User avatar
KUTradition
Contributor
Posts: 11295
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:53 am

Re: F the NCAA

Post by KUTradition »

jfish26 wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:29 pm I highly recommend the whole thing, not just what I'm excerpting here (bolding mine).

O’Neil: It’s time to rethink the role of NCAA president, who is qualified to lead it

https://theathletic.com/3276014/2022/04 ... o-lead-it/
It is easy to retread over the inefficient, borderline feckless, tenure of Mark Emmert. The fish, in that case, are stuffed to the gills in the barrel, awaiting their execution. It serves no purpose. Going backward does not undo all that has been done; it only serves to aggravate and agitate an already aggravated and agitated group of constituents. So let’s just agree to agree that Emmert was not good at being the NCAA president, that he turned a puppet position into a vainglorious attempt to blow smoke up his own posterior rather than consider the greater good; that he never understood that his job was to represent the masses and not himself; and that given the rare opportunity to serve as the talking head he usually bungled that, too. We present to you, as exhibit A, your newly crowned NCAA men’s basketball champions, the Kansas City Jayhawks.

So let’s not waste too much time here burying Emmert alongside his puffery. Ding, dong, the witch and all, gone in June 2023. Instead let’s turn to the future. Because this is where Emmert — and by extension — the NCAA long has failed. Constantly transfixed by that which is directly in front of it, the national body could never see even six inches down the road. Most everyone, for example, saw name, image and likeness coming and yet the NCAA managed to get flattened like a cartoon character walking in front of a semi. This, then, is an opportunity — perhaps the best one in the history of the NCAA — to actually devise a plan for a productive, insightful and even effective (gasp!) future.

The national body — and its member institutions — are currently in the process of overhauling and reimagining the entire structure of the NCAA, having already approved a new constitution. Some, including Mike Krzyzewski, might argue that it’s already lost in the weeds, worrying too much about enforcement and not enough about organization. At the very least, though, everything is on the table. So why not put the NCAA president’s bona fides up for reconsideration, too? In the past, he (and it’s always been a he) has been a former university president and/or chancellor selected by a group of other university presidents and/or chancellors, each of whom knows as much about governing college athletics as Krzyzewski does designing an organic chemistry curriculum.

The idea was to keep a separation of church and state, to make sure that the academics kept the purity of college athletics alive. In reality, it’s been about keeping the sanctimony first and foremost, and pretending that college athletics is not a multi-million-dollar business for all involved, save until very recently, the actual athletes themselves. Presidents have routinely and regularly sat alongside Emmert at the various dais and pounded their well-appointed loafers, aghast at the money-making of college sports while happily pocketing the riches their universities received at the behest of college sports. They made rules that made good sense in their ivory-towered, tone-deaf offices, but were practically impossible to enforce in the real world.

Their world finally started to collapse like the house of cards it was built on, somewhere between the O’Bannon lawsuit filing, a collection of bungled enforcement cases, the FBI investigation, and Shabazz Napier proclaiming his fellow athletes’ hunger just after the final strains of One Shining Moment played out.

So now that we’ve ripped the Band-Aid off, and exposed the reality of college sports — and lived to tell about it — why not use Emmert’s removal/retirement as a chance to make the top-down process right? Do away with the old model and find a savvy person to govern college athletics, someone who has removed the rose-colored glasses and sees the whole thing for its truths, warts and all. Redoing the bylaw, or reworking the job description language should, frankly, be at the top of the to-do list right now — and then, after the president’s office is reshaped, redo the board of governors, too. No need to ditch all of the university presidents, but temper the high-brow with a few people who will at least speak real truths into existence.
yada yada yada…ncaa has an opportunity to do the right thing…yada yada yada

rinse, repeat, and watch it sit on its hands
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
Post Reply