We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

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twocoach wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:21 pm
JKLivin wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 pm
Feral wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:38 pm

If you have a point to make that's in that article, feel free to post it, because I'm not going to spend time looking for it.
It's simple:

Blackrock is buying up all of the land.
Blackrock is the only "American" company operating in China.
China does not allow companies to operate there unless they own a majority share of them.
Hence, "Blackrock," er . . . China, is buying the land.
Your lack of reading comprehension is stunning.
related, but with a legitimate story

https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-continue ... 14121.html
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uncle joe is very chummy with the china.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:13 pm uncle joe is very chummy with the china.
Uncle Joe has outmaneuvered China and China is facing economic calamity. You're welcome I am sure.
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i forget who tracks these sort of things. but they said very recently that uncle joe is the most china friendly president in the history of presidents.
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"I don't know if it's true, and I don't remember who said it, but I like it."
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:13 pm uncle joe is very chummy with the china.
Eh, OK. On any particular topic specifically? Or is this just Steve Bannon poop flinging?

What happens when stupid people try to employ "America First" as a policy:

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafina ... kets/83746

What happens when stupid people who think they are great negotiators are allowed to negotiate important things:

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022 ... ly-deliver

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-eco ... trade-deal

Trump got his ass handed to him by China.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:42 pm i forget who tracks these sort of things. but they said very recently that uncle joe is the most china friendly president in the history of presidents.
Gee, who uses those kinds of speech patterns of over the top statements...I wonder.
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This link dump - the links in which are to at least responsibly-sourced analysis - is pretty loaded.

https://meadowparty.com/blog/2023/07/16 ... l-7-16-23/
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jfish26 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:46 pm This link dump - the links in which are to at least responsibly-sourced analysis - is pretty loaded.

https://meadowparty.com/blog/2023/07/16 ... l-7-16-23/
good god

that makes me want to take the afternoon off to read
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KUTradition wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:26 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:46 pm This link dump - the links in which are to at least responsibly-sourced analysis - is pretty loaded.

https://meadowparty.com/blog/2023/07/16 ... l-7-16-23/
good god

that makes me want to take the afternoon off to read
That weekly link dump often results in me having a Chrome window open to 15 tabs that get winnowed over the course of a week. In some cases (I can tell this week will be one of them) I won't get through all of them before next week's!

(The guy tends to lean economically libertarian, and socially liberal.)
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Couple things caught my eye this morning, as (taken together) putting a nice little bow on the present status of the Republican Party's soul.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ly-17-2023
A story in the New York Times today by Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage, and Maggie Haberman outlined how former president Donald Trump and his allies are planning to create a dictatorship if voters return him to power in 2024. The article talks about how Trump and his loyalists plan to “centralize more power in the Oval Office” by “increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House.”

They plan to take control over independent government agencies and get rid of the nonpartisan civil service, purging all but Trump loyalists from the U.S. intelligence agencies, the State Department, and the Defense Department. They plan to start “impounding funds,” that is, ignoring programs Congress has funded if those programs aren’t in line with Trump’s policies.

“What we’re trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them,” said Russell T. Vought, who ran Trump’s Office of Management and Budget and who now advises the right-wing House Freedom Caucus. They envision a “president” who cannot be checked by the Congress or the courts.

Trump’s desire to grab the mechanics of our government and become a dictator is not new; both scholars and journalists have called it out since the early years of his administration. What is new here is the willingness of so-called establishment Republicans to support this authoritarian power grab.

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The party appears to have fully embraced the antidemocratic ideology advanced by authoritarian leaders like Russia’s president Vladimir Putin and Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbán, who argue that the post–World War II era, in which democracy seemed to triumph, is over. They claim that the tenets of democracy—equality before the law, free speech, academic freedom, a market-based economy, immigration, and so on—weaken a nation by destroying a “traditional” society based in patriarchy and Christianity.

Instead of democracy, they have called for “illiberal” or “Christian” democracy, which uses the government to enforce their beliefs in a Christian, patriarchal order. What that looks like has a clear blueprint in the actions of Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who has gathered extraordinary power into his own hands in the state and used that power to mirror Orbán’s destruction of democracy.

DeSantis has pushed through laws that ban abortion after six weeks, before most people know they’re pregnant; banned classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity (the “Don’t Say Gay” law); prevented recognition of transgender individuals; made it easier to sentence someone to death; allowed people to carry guns without training or permits; banned colleges and businesses from conversations about race; exerted control over state universities; made it harder for his opponents to vote, and tried to punish Disney World for speaking out against the Don’t Say Gay law. After rounding up migrants and sending them to other states, DeSantis recently has called for using “deadly force” on migrants crossing unlawfully.

Because all the institutions of our democracy are designed to support the tenets of democracy, right-wingers claim those institutions are weaponized against them. House Republicans are running hearings designed to prove that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice are both “weaponized” against Republicans. It doesn’t matter that they don’t seem to have any evidence of bias: the very fact that those institutions support democracy mean they support a system that right-wing Republicans see as hostile.
To wit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... rump-maga/
Blame [the failure of Jim Jordan's hearings to capture public sentiment] on the “MAGA persecution complex” — the vast array of outlets in the right-wing media ecosystem that incentivizes GOP lawmakers to pander to conservative victimization and grievance. It’s feasting on so many claims of persecution that it’s essentially eating itself to death.

At last week’s hearing, Republicans alleged that the FBI investigated conservative parents at school board meetings. (That’s entirely baseless.) They insisted FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, a registered Republican, personally sicced the FBI on conservatives. (Wray called this “insane.”) They claimed the FBI has eagerly persecuted Trump. (The FBI has actually been rule-bound and cautious.) They railed that FBI plants incited the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. (The central evidence of this has collapsed.) [Note that the author embedded links to factual support for each of the parenthetical assertions.]

Republicans even insisted the FBI is riddled with anti-Catholic bias based on a field-level memo about radical right-wing Catholics that is indeed problematic. But Wray admitted to a serious error, declaring it subject to internal review. Presenting one example of abuse at a huge agency as proof of another vast conspiracy is silly.

The barrage of these allegations and others — the FBI is covering up President Biden’s bribery, it’s investigating would-be GOP informants, it’s colluding with social media giants to censor conservatives — is dizzying. Storylines eclipse each other before any can gel into something coherent.
I'm struck by the elegance in Heather Cox Richardson's piece: MAGA feels that the government is weaponized against them because, in a perfectly intentional, understandable and even desirable way, it is. The same way my immune system is frequently weaponized against whatever illnesses my kids bring home from school.
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And yet, pdub and at least one other "moderate" here have said that if the choice in '24 comes down to Biden and Trump, they'll sit the election out, or vote for a third party.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 am
your posting history on this this site alone. says you should not be calling other people stupid.
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So this is why so many republicans are sympathetic to Putin and Russia?

It's as if he knows Randy, personally:

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/statu ... wsrc%5Etfw
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MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 am
your posting history on this this site alone. says you should not be calling other people stupid.
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marines don’t sing the anthem either

guess they’re just as unpatriotic
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“We are living through a revolt against the future. The future will prevail.”
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“We are living through a revolt against the future. The future will prevail.”
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