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Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:03 pm
by Deleted User 310
What is the scenario we should fear....ok so he refuses to accept the election....then what? What can he do?
This isn't north korea. I don't see who/what helps him just become our neverending president. It just seems awfully far fetched.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:03 pm
by jfish26
I just genuinely do not know what will happen if Trump loses, but calls the election illegitimate.
Which I think is at least 50/50 to happen.
Keep in mind that, in this scenario, Republicans may well have also lost the Senate majority.
The only thing giving me any comfort is the military rebuke over the Lafayette Square nonsense.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
by Walrus
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 pm
by jfish26
I tend to doubt you will see massive tax increases on middle-class incomes. Or even most upper-class incomes.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:11 pm
by Deleted User 310
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:03 pm
I just genuinely do not know what will happen if Trump loses, but calls the election illegitimate.
Which I think is at least 50/50 to happen.
Keep in mind that, in this scenario, Republicans may well have also lost the Senate majority.
The only thing giving me any comfort is the military rebuke over the Lafayette Square nonsense.
I think it is 100% certain he says it is illegitimate if he loses....i am probably less worried about trump in that scenario than i am of radical right group...but maybe they are one in the same for this thought experiment.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:24 pm
by Deleted User 62
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
Such fucking bullshit.
Taxes should go back where they were before Trump started feeding the billionaires...at a minimum.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:26 pm
by Walrus
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:32 pm
by Mjl
I'm not concerned he's just going to squat, the military would just remove him.
The more likely scenario is they find a few questionable anecdotal things (some box of uncounted ballots, some precinct where Antifa is intimidating voters, and other BS), and they require a full investigation, and inauguration can't happen until that's done. I don't know how that works with what mechanisms are available, but I would guess they'll find one. Especially if the Republicans lose the Senate.
RBG staying alive may end up making the difference.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:43 pm
by jfish26
Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:32 pm
I'm not concerned he's just going to squat, the military would just remove him.
The more likely scenario is they find a few questionable anecdotal things (some box of uncounted ballots, some precinct where Antifa is intimidating voters, and other BS), and they require a full investigation, and inauguration can't happen until that's done. I don't know how that works with what mechanisms are available, but I would guess they'll find one. Especially if the Republicans lose the Senate.
RBG staying alive may end up making the difference.
I think the path here is pretty clear.
There's not going to be a result on election night. The returns we have in on election night will be close.
Then, the remote voting results are going to be not close at all. And there will be historic black turnout, and a tide change among suburban white women.
Fueled by Barr, Miller and his other various bootlickers and hangers-on, Trump will say that the totals cannot possibly be credible.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:04 pm
by ousdahl
jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:24 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
Such fucking bullshit.
Taxes should go back where they were before Trump started feeding the billionaires...at a minimum.
Of all the issues we face today, the one thing our republic
really needs, is another tax break for Japhy.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:09 pm
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:03 pm
I just genuinely do not know what will happen if Trump loses, but calls the election illegitimate.
Which I think is at least 50/50 to happen.
Keep in mind that, in this scenario, Republicans may well have also lost the Senate majority.
The only thing giving me any comfort is the military rebuke over the Lafayette Square nonsense.
If he loses, it is 100% certain that he'll call it a fraudulent election. And his supporters will whine about it even more than Clinton supporters whine about the Electoral College.
The worst he can do is sign a bunch of Executive Orders for two months that all need to be undone. I am not worried about that at all.
I just worry that he will get reelected.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
by twocoach
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
And you base that on what specifically?
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:12 pm
by Deleted User 318
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
And you base that on what specifically?
Lies.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:31 pm
by twocoach
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:12 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
And you base that on what specifically?
Lies.
Or assumptions based on a mix of lies and irrelevant truths.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:43 pm
by Walrus
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
And you base that on what specifically?
Google it. There's several ways taxes are going to increase under Biden. Capital gains tax, for one example -- corporate rates will not stay at 21%. It may persuade more businesses to push more jobs overseas.
https://fortune.com/2020/07/14/joe-bide ... -campaign/
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:49 pm
by twocoach
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:43 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm
It's going to be awful either way. Taxes are going up massively if and when Biden wins. Dramatic tax increases in a deep recession will just make things much worse.
And you base that on what specifically?
Google it. There's several ways taxes are going to increase under Biden. Capital gains tax, for one example -- corporate rates will not stay at 21%. It may persuade more businesses to push more jobs overseas.
https://fortune.com/2020/07/14/joe-bide ... -campaign/
https://taxfoundation.org/joe-biden-tax-proposals/
"Biden’s plan would first raise taxes on capital gains by treating them as ordinary income for those earning more than $1 million. On his website he said he would also raise the top rate on ordinary income back up to 39.6 percent from the 37 percent rate put in place by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. "
None of the things described will result in any of the nonsense you posted.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:51 pm
by Walrus
It won't help because the US spends far more than it takes in. All it will do is reduce jobs in a recession that is already severe.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:21 pm
by sdoyel
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:46 pm
by chiknbut
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:31 pm
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:12 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:10 pm
And you base that on what specifically?
Lies.
Or assumptions based on a mix of lies and irrelevant truths.
And a youtube video, probably.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:00 pm
by twocoach
Walrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:51 pm
It won't help because the US spends far more than it takes in. All it will do is reduce jobs in a recession that is already severe.
Do you think all revenue into the US government just goes into one, big checking account? T
And that's not "all it will do".
