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Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:04 am
by ousdahl
Family and faith aren’t at play in any substantive sense, just in this rah rah sense, because...republican branding!
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:06 am
by jfish26
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:55 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:49 am
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:13 am
Won’t change anyone’s mind.
Because they don't really care. Not on a broad scale.
The Republican party has done a great job using empty platitudes about family and faith and character and all lives matter and such and such as fig leaves to give people wholly-superficial ways to forgive themselves for supporting policies and people that do not at all line up with those principles.
The GOP has done a great job at making the R after a candidate's name the same as KC in front of a sports team. I root for KC teams exclusively because I happened to be born at KU Med. They made politics as much of a sport as anything else, and Karl Rove just happens to be like Belichick, skirting the lines as much possible in order to keep winning. I think family and faith are less at play then people think, just because many actually religious folks I know find Trump and his ilk abhorrent, while church on two Sundays a month crowd are rooting hard for GOP, and don't care about actual positions.
This is well-said. Politics-as-team-sports is, as much as anything, a root cause of where we find ourselves.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 am
by Deleted User 310
Spot on.
Win at all costs.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:19 am
by ousdahl
^^^
Democrats might as well be broncos fans
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:21 am
by Deleted User 318
KU Football. Just apathetic and can't get anyone worthwhile to lead the ship that is inspiring. But have some strong individual parts, but also cannot get out of its own way.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 am
by jfish26
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:21 am
KU Football. Just apathetic and can't get anyone worthwhile to lead the ship that is inspiring. But have some strong individual parts, but also cannot get out of its own way.
Nah, way off. You have to find the team/organization that has
every advantage, and yet shits down its leg constantly.
You're talking Cowboys, or Knicks, or Mets, etc.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:27 am
by jfish26
Nevermind, misread the point of the comparison. Lemme think on this one.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:28 am
by Deleted User 318
Good point. I'm just apathetic with the last 11 years of KUFB HCing. And have the same apathy for 40% of the country burning down the house in order to own the libs.
Cowboys is a great example. All the right parts, all the right advantages, should be great on paper, but can never put it together.
Or maybe the Anaheim Angels.
Knicks and Mets are just New York teams, but haven't been managed well since the 70s and 80s.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:32 am
by jfish26
You know, maybe I wasn't actually so far off. I think you're looking for a team/organization that is fundamentally correct (let's say - has good players) - but is just so organizationally inept that it's consistently getting pantsed by savvier organizations. And repetitive shooting-oneself-in-the-dick matters, too.
76ers? (note the accumulation of talent, with no mind to how anything fits together)
Chargers? (note the general malaise component here)
Timberwolves? (see prior entries)
Falcons? (28-3)
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:41 am
by ousdahl
I think gop abandonment of principles, with general dem ineptitude, stems from the fact there’s really only one party left in Merica: the corporate party.
Isn’t that the tail wagging the dog/s that are both major parties? It just seems like so few real candidates or policies are advanced any more unless they pass some corporate smell test first. Or something.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:52 am
by Mjl
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:06 am
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:55 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:49 am
Because they don't really care. Not on a broad scale.
The Republican party has done a great job using empty platitudes about family and faith and character and all lives matter and such and such as fig leaves to give people wholly-superficial ways to forgive themselves for supporting policies and people that do not at all line up with those principles.
The GOP has done a great job at making the R after a candidate's name the same as KC in front of a sports team. I root for KC teams exclusively because I happened to be born at KU Med. They made politics as much of a sport as anything else, and Karl Rove just happens to be like Belichick, skirting the lines as much possible in order to keep winning. I think family and faith are less at play then people think, just because many actually religious folks I know find Trump and his ilk abhorrent, while church on two Sundays a month crowd are rooting hard for GOP, and don't care about actual positions.
This is well-said. Politics-as-team-sports is, as much as anything, a root cause of where we find ourselves.
Exactly.
Real question is how do we get away from this?
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:54 am
by jfish26
I don't see a clear path. You'd need bilateral commitment from the parties, and also from the news networks.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:57 am
by Deleted User 310
Too much money to be made for that to ever happen when it comes to news networks...and too many people eat that shit up right now.
Voting for deserving candidates who have an allegiance to ALL the people they represent more than the party they represent is the best path...but also seems far fetched right now.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:04 am
by ousdahl
It also kinda sucks that any candidate who actually stands up for a particular policy or platform tends to be dismissed as a RaDiCaL!!!
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:06 am
by Deleted User 318
Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:52 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:06 am
NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:55 am
The GOP has done a great job at making the R after a candidate's name the same as KC in front of a sports team. I root for KC teams exclusively because I happened to be born at KU Med. They made politics as much of a sport as anything else, and Karl Rove just happens to be like Belichick, skirting the lines as much possible in order to keep winning. I think family and faith are less at play then people think, just because many actually religious folks I know find Trump and his ilk abhorrent, while church on two Sundays a month crowd are rooting hard for GOP, and don't care about actual positions.
This is well-said. Politics-as-team-sports is, as much as anything, a root cause of where we find ourselves.
Exactly.
Real question is how do we get away from this?
More political parties that need to form a government each session instead two political parties and winner take all.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:13 am
by Deleted User 310
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:04 am
It also kinda sucks that any candidate who actually stands up for a particular policy or platform tends to be dismissed as a RaDiCaL!!!
I don't feel that way.
Who are you speaking of in particular? AOC comes to mind (on a smaller scale obviously) and tbh some of her ideas seem pretty radical to me... bernie is similar, not sure i consider him radical, just not always very realistic maybe?...i didn't find many of the dem candidates for president to be radical.
Klobuchar didn't seem radical to me. She had actual substance to her policy and platform....yang was maybe the most "radical" of the republicans?
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:48 pm
by Deleted User 318
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:26 pm
by Deleted User 89
ignorant fuck
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:38 pm
by jfish26
I look forward to Woodward's book, to be released when Caesar's reopens the French Quarter as "the real Atlantis", amusingly relaying a conversation from September 2020 when Trump admits knowing client change is real and dangerous.
Re: Dumbfuck in charge
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:35 am
by sdoyel