F the NCAA

[NDballer13]

The NCAA is opening up a huge can of worms that can do nothing but hurt their "organization".
You would think they would have decent legal advisors that would have told them how piss poor of an idea this is.
A "criteria" for an agent that includes a level of education, an actual time period in which they have to be certified, and actually be present to take an exam in Indianapolis? Seriously?
I can't want for the agents/reps to tell them to go fuck themselves and then tell the NCAA to try and take them to court over their fucked up "criteria".

They can tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves all they want. Then the ncaa will declare all of the student athletes they represent ineligible for future ncaa athletics.

But hey, at least they were tough guys and told the ncaa what's up...

Rich Paul will pay some assistant to take a bunch of university of Phoenix classes online to get a bullshit bachelor's degree and then rub it in the ncaa face hopefully.

I would love it if he did that. Goes through that whole process just to give someone the middle finger for making a rule that excludes him. Realistically speaking, this should have no effect on him anyway. Paul is up there meeting with lottery picks. He's not going to waste his time being a guidance counselor for some fringe Top 80 guy who likely won't get picked.

[CrimsonNBlue]

They can tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves all they want. Then the ncaa will declare all of the student athletes they represent ineligible for future ncaa athletics.

But hey, at least they were tough guys and told the ncaa what's up...

Rich Paul will pay some assistant to take a bunch of university of Phoenix classes online to get a bullshit bachelor's degree and then rub it in the ncaa face hopefully.

I would love it if he did that. Goes through that whole process just to give someone the middle finger for making a rule that excludes him. Realistically speaking, this should have no effect on him anyway. Paul is up there meeting with lottery picks. He's not going to waste his time being a guidance counselor for some fringe Top 80 guy who likely won't get picked.

Which means it's an even bigger restraint on lotto picks: "You either use the agents that we arbitrarily decided are OK or you can never play college basketball again!"

[jfish26]

"Restraint" is one word. "Deterrence from even entertaining playing in college" is another way to put it.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Even the vanilla mainstream sports media are catching on.

https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/sta ... 31809?s=20

[NDballer13]

Rich Paul will pay some assistant to take a bunch of university of Phoenix classes online to get a bullshit bachelor's degree and then rub it in the ncaa face hopefully.

I would love it if he did that. Goes through that whole process just to give someone the middle finger for making a rule that excludes him. Realistically speaking, this should have no effect on him anyway. Paul is up there meeting with lottery picks. He's not going to waste his time being a guidance counselor for some fringe Top 80 guy who likely won't get picked.

Which means it's an even bigger restraint on lotto picks: "You either use the agents that we arbitrarily decided are OK or you can never play college basketball again!"

What impact would that have? "We're not going to let you do something you weren't going to do anyway!" That's like your boss saying you were fired after you already quit.

[CrimsonNBlue]

See, e.g. Rush, Brandon.

[DrPepper]

They just can't help themselves:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status ... 57120?s=20

I don’t know the b-ball agent world except that we read of middle school and high school b-ball kids getting bad advice from folks who don’t know what they are doing and don’t generally have the kids’ best interests as the primary concern. Wouldn’t a bit of clean up and hurdles be helpful?

The NBPA (national basketball players assoc) requires application fees ($250), annual dues (min $2,500), on-site certification exam (NYC), annual onsite attendance at an agent seminar for the first 3 years, and negotiating at least one player contract with a 5-yr period to protect their players.

So the bachelors degree requirement that the NCAA added is a big hangup for people? This creates some implicit bias, but what else you going to do? What are the better proposals?

[NDballer13]

I don't think the bachelor's degree would be even a sniff of an issue if it were required to be a certified agent with the NBPA. It's the fact that the NCAA is adding it to their criteria, on top of being certified, that is ruffling everyone's feathers. NCAA has long been known as an organization that claims to have the athlete's best interest in mind while contradicting that with any action they do. To many, this is just another case of that.

You need to be more qualified to "gather information for a prospective athlete" than you need to be to actually be their agent. And that's what doesn't make sense.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I don’t know the b-ball agent world except that we read of middle school and high school b-ball kids getting bad advice from folks who don’t know what they are doing and don’t generally have the kids’ best interests as the primary concern. Wouldn’t a bit of clean up and hurdles be helpful?

You're confusing NBPA approved agents with hanger-ons. A completely irrelevant point.

The NBPA (national basketball players assoc) requires application fees ($250), annual dues (min $2,500), on-site certification exam (NYC), annual onsite attendance at an agent seminar for the first 3 years, and negotiating at least one player contract with a 5-yr period to protect their players.

So the bachelors degree requirement that the NCAA added is a big hangup for people? This creates some implicit bias, but what else you going to do? What are the better proposals?

Both requirements 1 and 3 are unnecessary hurdles that only make college basketball a less attractive option. There is no logical reasoning or explanation for the arbitrary extra criteria. And, as you admit, there are negative consequences to the arbitrary criteria.

"What else you going to do" and "what are the better proposals?" For once, the NCAA should leave an area that they have no expertise in for the people that do. It's completely unnecessary and counterproductive to their stated mission.

[jfish26]

See, e.g. Rush, Brandon.

"If you choose to come to college, and you think you might be good enough to leave early for the NBA, you can consult with an agent of your choosing and still come back to college, provided that agent is approved by the NCAA."

[twocoach]

The NCAA is opening up a huge can of worms that can do nothing but hurt their "organization".
You would think they would have decent legal advisors that would have told them how piss poor of an idea this is.
A "criteria" for an agent that includes a level of education, an actual time period in which they have to be certified, and actually be present to take an exam in Indianapolis? Seriously?
I can't want for the agents/reps to tell them to go fuck themselves and then tell the NCAA to try and take them to court over their fucked up "criteria".

They can tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves all they want. Then the ncaa will declare all of the student athletes they represent ineligible for future ncaa athletics.

But hey, at least they were tough guys and told the ncaa what's up...

And that would be a double-down on yet another completely unnecessary exertion of control over the student athletes and their best interests.

Agreed. But it's the ncaa. They have decades of history in doubling down on bad rulings against athletes with virtually zero consequence to the ncaa.

[Deleted User 266]

Serious question. How does someone who has a bachelor's degree (in basket weaving or whatever other bullshit major) help a kid more than someone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree (in basket weaving or some other bullshit major)?

[jfish26]

...of course they do not. There is not a reasonable, good-faith justification for this.

[jfish26]

The 'Rich Paul Rule' is another misguided attempt by the NCAA to control something it shouldn't be controlling

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ntrolling/

I'm sure the NCAA official in charge of sending out the memo on Monday to inform agents of a new certification process thought it would be a little story, if it were a story at all, and that it would probably frustrate a few agents, and a couple of talking heads, and that would be that. But nobody is worse at properly gauging how decisions and rule-changes will be received, or at anticipating public-relations nightmares, than NCAA officials. So here we are once again -- thanks, in part, to LeBron James.

[...]

Now, to be clear, I don't necessarily believe this change is designed to minimize Rich Paul -- mostly because the mega-agent is a big-game hunter who rarely pursues the type of clients who are merely testing the waters. But to focus on that is to miss the larger point -- specifically that this is another unnecessary move by the NCAA to further restrict, and control, basketball players with the justification being that the NCAA is just trying to save them from themselves.

It's insulting, really.

[...]

In theory, I get why somebody with little understanding of the inner-workings of college basketball might think such is true. But what this approach ignores is the fact that every person who was arrested in September 2017 for accepting bribes to steer players to unscrupulous characters was a man with a bachelor's degree. In other words, a bachelor's degree doesn't guarantee somebody is ethical or guided by a moral compass. And it also doesn't prove somebody is equipped to provide good advice to a player about whether he should stay in, or withdraw from, the NBA Draft. So the NCAA drawing a line here is undeniably ridiculous.

[...]

More than anything, it's about control.

The NCAA wants to forever control the people it calls amateurs but treats like assets. That's the long and short of it. But what's hilarious about this change is that it won't actually prevent players from dealing with uncertified agents without bachelor's degrees. It'll just push everything back below the table, which was the problem the NCAA was trying to eliminate in the first place.

Bottom line, what a mess.

In an attempt to control something it should not be controlling -- i.e., whom a player relies on to help guide him through the draft process -- the NCAA has for the bazillionth time created something that is universally panned, a public-relations blunder and destined to be challenged by somebody, perhaps Rich Paul himself.

Bravo, geniuses.

[Sparko]

These new rules are keeping the NCAA from doing important things like keeping kids from dunking in pregame and policing social media for negative stories about the NCAA.

[Deleted User 276]

Hey, what do you know, the ncaa just cancelled their rich Paul rule. LOL. They're spiraling out of control.

[jfish26]

Oh.

Starting with the beginning of this school year, all scholarship [University of Louisiana - Lafayette] football players will be required to be a minimal level $50 member of the [Ragin' Cajuns Athletic Foundation]. The rule will be optional for walk-on members of the squad.

“It’s all about gratitude,” [head football coach Billy] Napier said.

[...]

[Napier said,] "We want our players to be educated and understand the benefits that come with being a student-athlete and that is not something that should be taken lightly — the effort and time and investment that the people that support athletes at UL have put in into this program.”

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/sp ... 709af.html

[CrimsonNBlue]

Oh my god.

[twocoach]

Oh.

Starting with the beginning of this school year, all scholarship [University of Louisiana - Lafayette] football players will be required to be a minimal level $50 member of the [Ragin' Cajuns Athletic Foundation]. The rule will be optional for walk-on members of the squad.

“It’s all about gratitude,” [head football coach Billy] Napier said.

[...]

[Napier said,] "We want our players to be educated and understand the benefits that come with being a student-athlete and that is not something that should be taken lightly — the effort and time and investment that the people that support athletes at UL have put in into this program.”

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/sp ... 709af.html

Yeah, that's called a fee, not a donation.

[jfish26]

Oh.

Starting with the beginning of this school year, all scholarship [University of Louisiana - Lafayette] football players will be required to be a minimal level $50 member of the [Ragin' Cajuns Athletic Foundation]. The rule will be optional for walk-on members of the squad.

“It’s all about gratitude,” [head football coach Billy] Napier said.

[...]

[Napier said,] "We want our players to be educated and understand the benefits that come with being a student-athlete and that is not something that should be taken lightly — the effort and time and investment that the people that support athletes at UL have put in into this program.”

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/sp ... 709af.html

Yeah, that's called a fee, not a donation.

"That's not a payment, that's a jack!"