CBB 20/21 season, non-ku

[CrimsonNBlue]

I kinda wonder if a prospective Garrett return is contingent upon playing more off the ball...

for Garrett or for Self?

I'd love to have him playing the 3 again, and going beast mode on defense. But then we NEED a real PG who's gonna push pace, because Garrett's a half court liability on offense. Which was the problem with him being the PG, it slowed things down which makes a lineup with him in it easier to defend.

How is he a liability on offense? He was the best driver on the team, and he shot better from 3 than Braun (35% vs 34%) and it's not like he never shot them (more than two attempts per game).

And Dajuan is totally a 65% 3 pt shooter . . .

[PhDhawk]

I'm not convinced he has it physically. He's not quick.

Then he should go.

14 ppg and standing on the perimeter won't improve his draft stock. And I'm not sure it gets us closer to another F4. Although I have a hard time believing we can replace him with someone better for next season.

Agreed, except the replacement part. On the offensive end I think Yesufu is better.

Remains to be seen how Yesufu transitions to a new team and better competition. Not many Guards come in an excel right away here.

Also, I consider Yesufu more of a Garrett replacement...even if he plays off the ball he's more in the Devonte Graham/Mario Chalmers role to me than Ochai who is more in the Selden/Wiggins/McLemore role. When you're playing 3-4 Guards they can be very different in terms of role.

[Mjl]

for Garrett or for Self?

I'd love to have him playing the 3 again, and going beast mode on defense. But then we NEED a real PG who's gonna push pace, because Garrett's a half court liability on offense. Which was the problem with him being the PG, it slowed things down which makes a lineup with him in it easier to defend.

How is he a liability on offense? He was the best driver on the team, and he shot better from 3 than Braun (35% vs 34%) and it's not like he never shot them (more than two attempts per game).

And Dajuan is totally a 65% 3 pt shooter . . .

Dajaun shot less than 1 per game, Garrett shot more than 2 per game

[MICHHAWK]

MG was our most valuable player this past season.

[CrimsonNBlue]

How is he a liability on offense? He was the best driver on the team, and he shot better from 3 than Braun (35% vs 34%) and it's not like he never shot them (more than two attempts per game).

And Dajuan is totally a 65% 3 pt shooter . . .

Dajaun shot less than 1 per game, Garrett shot more than 2 per game

Point still stands. Garrett is not a good perimeter shooter and not a better perimeter shooter than Braun.

[Mjl]

Then he should go.

14 ppg and standing on the perimeter won't improve his draft stock. And I'm not sure it gets us closer to another F4. Although I have a hard time believing we can replace him with someone better for next season.

Agreed, except the replacement part. On the offensive end I think Yesufu is better.

Remains to be seen how Yesufu transitions to a new team and better competition. Not many Guards come in an excel right away here.

Also, I consider Yesufu more of a Garrett replacement...even if he plays off the ball he's more in the Devonte Graham/Mario Chalmers role to me than Ochai who is more in the Selden/Wiggins/McLemore role. When you're playing 3-4 Guards they can be very different in terms of role.

I don't know, I'd rather have multiple guys that can get to the rim than multiple guys that stand on the perimeter shooting 3s, as long as those guys who can get to the rim are at least capable of hitting 3s.

[Cascadia]

I'd take MG back only as a 4. He absolutely cannot be the PG again. His defense and leadership are great, but he's an offensive liability. If you have a PG and two wings that can shoot, MG can slide nicely into into the 4 spot.

[InfiniteJ]

I'd take MG back only as a 4. He absolutely cannot be the PG again. His defense and leadership are great, but he's an offensive liability. If you have a PG and two wings that can shoot, MG can slide nicely into into the 4 spot.

I don't want Marcus as my PF...

[UnholyLivingDead]

I don't see any way Marcus comes back. Self is clearly constructing this roster with the idea in mind that we won't have him and I think Self knows the way last season's roster was put together counting on Marcus to be the PG was not good. I would imagine if Marcus comes back he's going to have to be willing to accept a much more limited role on the team.

[NewtonHawk11]

Good article about the ref who blacked out during Elite 8 game.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/c ... 100966002/

[ousdahl]

I don't see any way Marcus comes back. Self is clearly constructing this roster with the idea in mind that we won't have him and I think Self knows the way last season's roster was put together counting on Marcus to be the PG was not good. I would imagine if Marcus comes back he's going to have to be willing to accept a much more limited role on the team.

I don’t think it would necessarily be more limited, just more off the ball.

Think his role in 20 more so than 21

[NewtonHawk11]

Left Iowa State after main recruiter left to UNLV. Transfers to UNLV. Now transfers back to Iowa State to be with coach who was at UNLV.

https://twitter.com/caleb_grill0/status ... 18338?s=21

[NDballer13]

Clones are going to be even worse next year.

[Mjl]

Clones are going to be even worse next year.

Worse? How can they get any worse? Take a look around you ND, they're on the brink of hell!

[NDballer13]

Clones are going to be even worse next year.

Worse? How can they get any worse? Take a look around you ND, they're on the brink of hell!

Prohm at least showed he could have some success. Fired him to bring in a guy who couldn't even win in a bad conference. On top of that, he's bringing his shitty players that couldn't win with him. O/U 4.5 wins next year.

[Mjl]

Clones are going to be even worse next year.

Worse? How can they get any worse? Take a look around you ND, they're on the brink of hell!

Prohm at least showed he could have some success. Fired him to bring in a guy who couldn't even win in a bad conference. On top of that, he's bringing his shitty players that couldn't win with him. O/U 4.5 wins next year.

No, I agree, just seemed the Christmas Vacation reference was appropriate there

[NewtonHawk11]

Charlie Moore in the portal. I mean, just saying.

[TDub]

No. Haha

[sdoyel]

https://twitter.com/Morgan_Uber/status/ ... 70216?s=20

[NewtonHawk11]

DBag Matthew Hurt declared for draft and foregoing all eligibility. Have fun douche.