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Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pm
by mjl2
They've been moving weapons to Israel's northern border for years.
They fly them into Syria. That's why Israel keeps bombing Syrian airports.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:59 pm
by jfish26
mjl2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:13 pm
mjl2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:56 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:29 am
There's a lot we need to know here. Including whether there is outside support for this aggression.
Has to be. Palestinians aren't manufacturing these weapons in Gaza. And they aren't capable of coordinating something like this on their own.
Iran had every reason to do this. They won. Their goal is to stop the Israeli - Saudi normalization that appeared very close. They've probably succeeded.
The truly frightening possibility is that it goes beyond that - that they have nukes and will use the international backlash against what Israel is about to do as reason to use them.
So hopefully minus the nukes, seems like we are here
Maybe. I'm afraid the options are (1) back down (appeasement), or (2) call the (hopefully) bluff.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:08 pm
by mjl2
Yeah. I meant hopefully no nukes, not hopefully we're at the point of Iran getting involved.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:37 pm
by Shirley
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:32 pm
by Shirley
BREAKING President Biden will visit Israel on Wednesday
Makes me wonder if that means Israel won't invade Gaza before then?
SoS Blinken:
"President Biden will visit Israel."
"The President will reaffirm the United States' solidarity with Israel and our ironclad commitment to its security."
"The President will hear from Israel what it needs to defend its people."
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:40 pm
by jfish26
Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:32 pm
BREAKING President Biden will visit Israel on Wednesday
Makes me wonder if that means Israel won't invade Gaza before then?
SoS Blinken:
"President Biden will visit Israel."
"The President will reaffirm the United States' solidarity with Israel and our ironclad commitment to its security."
"The President will hear from Israel what it needs to defend its people."
Sure feels like a way to keep them from crossing a line we (the US) won’t draw out loud…right?
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:08 pm
by ousdahl
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:13 am
by ousdahl
for real tho, what can we expect of Biden’s visit to Israel?
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:20 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:13 am
for real tho, what can we expect of Biden’s visit to Israel?
I'm expecting a stumble down/up some stairs, a few verbal blunders, a photo op or two, him saying the USA fully supports Israel in its fight against terrorism, and not much else.
What am I supposed to be expecting other than that?
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:21 am
by KUTradition
well, he is meeting with a number of regional Arab leaders in Jordan, but i’m sure that’s nbd
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:23 am
by MICHHAWK
he might fall asleep in that meeting.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:26 am
by KUTradition
omg…so funny, mich
you must’ve taken your meds this morning
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:37 am
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:23 am
he might fall asleep in that meeting.
Wasn't it only a day or two ago that you said you had no agenda? Because limp, stale jokes rooted in an obviously-biased, fact-free stereotype of Biden being doddering and ineffectual sure would run contrary to such purported open-mindedness.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:43 am
by Shirley
Based on experience, I don't envy anyone having to stay awake for boring meetings, (or nearly anything else), the first day or two after flying eastward. The ensuing jet-lag after traveling in direct opposition to your body clock, can be brutal.
I once read that former SoS Kissinger had an amazing ability to avoid jet-lag, being able to land and enter into complicated negotiations immediately.
#lifeisnotfair
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:46 am
by ousdahl
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:20 am
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:13 am
for real tho, what can we expect of Biden’s visit to Israel?
I'm expecting a stumble down/up some stairs, a few verbal blunders, a photo op or two, him saying the USA fully supports Israel in its fight against terrorism, and not much else.
What am I supposed to be expecting other than that?
I might sprinkle in some half-assed call for humanitarian aid, but in measures that pale in comparison to military aid, while saying it in a way that scapegoats like Egypt or something for it not happening sooner.
And calling for humanitarian aid while also veering away from speaking of Palestinians as
humans, and toward the blanket label of “TeRrOrIsTs!!!”; as if every single one of the million plus displaced (half of whom are kids) deserve every last bit of what’s happening to them.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:57 am
by KUTradition
U.S. and other foreign officials worked successfully behind-the-scenes to convince Israel to back off an initial 24-hour evacuation notice to some 1 million people living in northern Gaza.
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…some Arab officials are rooting for U.S. efforts to succeed, though they acknowledge it could be a while before long-term results.
“There is no doubt in my mind that without American leadership, we would be in a far tougher position now,” one Arab diplomat said.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:01 pm
by mjl2
Looks like a hospital got hit badly. No details - but a missile from an Israeli plane can't cause that much damage as what is seen.
Likely a Hamas weapons depot was in the hospital. Fucked up no matter what. If that was from an airstrike, they need to stop right now and go in on the ground - although that's what everyone is pleading them not to do. So again, everyone is fucked no matter what.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:04 pm
by jhawks99
mjl2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:01 pm
So again, everyone is fucked no matter what.
I think that sums it up.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:19 pm
by DCHawk1
mjl2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:01 pm
Looks like a hospital got hit badly. No details - but a missile from an Israeli plane can't cause that much damage as what is seen.
Likely a Hamas weapons depot was in the hospital. Fucked up no matter what. If that was from an airstrike, they need to stop right now and go in on the ground - although that's what everyone is pleading them not to do. So again, everyone is fucked no matter what.
FWIW, IDF says Hamas tried to launch long-range missiles from near the hospital and screwed up the launch.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:43 pm
by ousdahl
Man, all that “hospital damage was Hamas” seems once again pretty gaslighty. as if Israel is NOT indiscriminately bombing the fuck out of Gaza either way.
But, let’s roll with it, and assume Hamas did somehow get a bunch of long range missiles into one of the most intensely surveilled places in the world.
At the very least, it’s a testament to Israeli security being a clown show.