Civility in politics
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:18 pm
will we ever sees it again?
Now the left wants "civility" that they are completely neutered. Typical.
Keep up the tears.
In other words, Trump doesn’t pretend like it’s a system that benefits the average voter.RussianHawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 pm Trump is the only thing uncivil about politics today...... Everyone else plays the game as they always have.
Leahy, Harris, Whitehorse, Blumenthal, Klobuchar are all former prosecutors. The likelihood of a former prosecutor voting for a man they know--without an FBI investigation--has lied repeatedly and lied in the hearing on Friday to serve on the highest court in the land--unlikely.Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:55 pm I think we saw some on Friday. Three GOP Senators (Blake, Collins, Murkowski) and perhaps three Democrats (Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp) formed a coalition and got something for both sides of the aisle. Small steps. GOP wanted a vote on Tuesday. Dems wanted a FBI Investigation. Each got something. Maybe vote on Friday or Saturday. Not as deep as they wanted but the FBI is on the job asking questions. This all came about with Senator Flakes and Senator Coons being friends. A GOP and a Dem. It was give and take. I have hope for the Senate. I wish that Flakes had also included all of the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee to votes with him based on the FBI Report. If the FBI Report is substantially the same findings of the Committee's Investigators, then all of the Flake Gang votes with Senator Flake. All 10 of the Democrats from the Judiciary (Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Durbin, Coons, Whitehorse, etc) vote for Kavanaugh on the Floor Vote with the before mentioned Flake Gang. If the FBI Reports comes back different, then Flake and the Gang vote NO.
No it has changed. Scalia got 98 votes to confirm. Even in the President Obama nominees Sotomayor got 68 YES votes and Kagan got 63. Maybe it changed with Garland. Maybe it changed with the fifth Conservative vote going on the SCOTUS. But it changed.RussianHawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 pm Trump is the only thing uncivil about politics today...... Everyone else plays the game as they always have.
As a former prosecutor, shouldn't Leahy be in jail?seahawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:07 pmLeahy, Harris, Whitehorse, Blumenthal, Klobuchar are all former prosecutors. The likelihood of a former prosecutor voting for a man they know--without an FBI investigation--has lied repeatedly and lied in the hearing on Friday to serve on the highest court in the land--unlikely.Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:55 pm I think we saw some on Friday. Three GOP Senators (Blake, Collins, Murkowski) and perhaps three Democrats (Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp) formed a coalition and got something for both sides of the aisle. Small steps. GOP wanted a vote on Tuesday. Dems wanted a FBI Investigation. Each got something. Maybe vote on Friday or Saturday. Not as deep as they wanted but the FBI is on the job asking questions. This all came about with Senator Flakes and Senator Coons being friends. A GOP and a Dem. It was give and take. I have hope for the Senate. I wish that Flakes had also included all of the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee to votes with him based on the FBI Report. If the FBI Report is substantially the same findings of the Committee's Investigators, then all of the Flake Gang votes with Senator Flake. All 10 of the Democrats from the Judiciary (Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Durbin, Coons, Whitehorse, etc) vote for Kavanaugh on the Floor Vote with the before mentioned Flake Gang. If the FBI Reports comes back different, then Flake and the Gang vote NO.
If you are right that Democrats didn't need a FBI Investigation to decide...why did they beg for it? If they came in with a closed mind then vote and let the chips fall where they may. Does sound very tolerant for your tribe to decide before the actual facts are confirmed.seahawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:07 pmLeahy, Harris, Whitehorse, Blumenthal, Klobuchar are all former prosecutors. The likelihood of a former prosecutor voting for a man they know--without an FBI investigation--has lied repeatedly and lied in the hearing on Friday to serve on the highest court in the land--unlikely.Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:55 pm I think we saw some on Friday. Three GOP Senators (Blake, Collins, Murkowski) and perhaps three Democrats (Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp) formed a coalition and got something for both sides of the aisle. Small steps. GOP wanted a vote on Tuesday. Dems wanted a FBI Investigation. Each got something. Maybe vote on Friday or Saturday. Not as deep as they wanted but the FBI is on the job asking questions. This all came about with Senator Flakes and Senator Coons being friends. A GOP and a Dem. It was give and take. I have hope for the Senate. I wish that Flakes had also included all of the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee to votes with him based on the FBI Report. If the FBI Report is substantially the same findings of the Committee's Investigators, then all of the Flake Gang votes with Senator Flake. All 10 of the Democrats from the Judiciary (Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Durbin, Coons, Whitehorse, etc) vote for Kavanaugh on the Floor Vote with the before mentioned Flake Gang. If the FBI Reports comes back different, then Flake and the Gang vote NO.
Kavanaugh doesn't need their freakin' votes!seahawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:07 pmLeahy, Harris, Whitehorse, Blumenthal, Klobuchar are all former prosecutors. The likelihood of a former prosecutor voting for a man they know--without an FBI investigation--has lied repeatedly and lied in the hearing on Friday to serve on the highest court in the land--unlikely.Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:55 pm I think we saw some on Friday. Three GOP Senators (Blake, Collins, Murkowski) and perhaps three Democrats (Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp) formed a coalition and got something for both sides of the aisle. Small steps. GOP wanted a vote on Tuesday. Dems wanted a FBI Investigation. Each got something. Maybe vote on Friday or Saturday. Not as deep as they wanted but the FBI is on the job asking questions. This all came about with Senator Flakes and Senator Coons being friends. A GOP and a Dem. It was give and take. I have hope for the Senate. I wish that Flakes had also included all of the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee to votes with him based on the FBI Report. If the FBI Report is substantially the same findings of the Committee's Investigators, then all of the Flake Gang votes with Senator Flake. All 10 of the Democrats from the Judiciary (Feinstein, Harris, Booker, Durbin, Coons, Whitehorse, etc) vote for Kavanaugh on the Floor Vote with the before mentioned Flake Gang. If the FBI Reports comes back different, then Flake and the Gang vote NO.
I think what Russian meant is that the "Lion of the Senate" (Yikes@#metoo!: https://www.gq.com/story/kennedy-ted-senator-profile) destroyed civility 31 years ago when he attacked Robert Bork on the Senate floor. And the Left never looked back.Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:11 pmNo it has changed. Scalia got 98 votes to confirm. Even in the President Obama nominees Sotomayor got 68 YES votes and Kagan got 63. Maybe it changed with Garland. Maybe it changed with the fifth Conservative vote going on the SCOTUS. But it changed.RussianHawk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:58 pm Trump is the only thing uncivil about politics today...... Everyone else plays the game as they always have.
I think this is something a majority of people would agree with, but that only goes so far.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:20 am man, I was hoping to hold out for some more snarky conservative zingers before actually attempting civil discussion, but let's just get into it.
Trump is arguably the most extreme example of a lack of civility in politics, and very well may have changed the game. But is he a cause or a symptom? Weren't things getting ugly before he got into politics?
and what's something that both wings can agree on? 1 percenters are too rich and average joes is too poor? whatever happened to that occupy wall street movement anyway?