Kansas Crimson

Geezer wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 8:24 pm If Sandy Hook doesn't move the gun control needle, nothing will.

Price of second amendment is nearly 40,000 lives a year.

In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths—about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts—is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms.

A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

The lesson? Many lives would likely be saved if people disposed of their firearms, kept them locked away, or stored them outside the home. Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”

TDub wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:20 pm Now were blaming suicidal people on guns? Nevermind. Even common sense laws will never satisfy that crowd.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:31 pm blame guns for making it way too easy to commit suicide.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 7:29 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:31 pm blame guns for making it way too easy to commit suicide.

Jesus christ. Blame the bread and sausage for the fat person?

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:43 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

Stairs and buildings serve much more utilitarian purpose than guns, and with much less inherent danger.

Cars too! And a big difference with cars is, they cannot be legally operated without liability insurance.

And if we may expand on the analogy of cars, consider drunk driving. To mitigate accidents caused by as much, gummints imposed stricter penalties, DUI checkpoints, awareness campaigns, etc. and, whaddya know, DUI accidents and deaths decreased because of it.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 3:01 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:43 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

Stairs and buildings serve much more utilitarian purpose than guns, and with much less inherent danger.

Cars too! And a big difference with cars is, they cannot be legally operated without liability insurance.

And if we may expand on the analogy of cars, consider drunk driving. To mitigate accidents caused by as much, gummints imposed stricter penalties, DUI checkpoints, awareness campaigns, etc. and, whaddya know, DUI accidents and deaths decreased because of it.

All fair and good, but what if a gun came out of a closet and killed someone? Ever thought of that, smarty?

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 3:30 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

Ugh, we're once again back to overly dramatic leaps of logic.

Just because a change will not eliminate all possibility of a gun crime doesn't mean it won't help. We need a national registry of guns so we know where they all are and so gun owners are accountable for their weapons. We need better screening of gun purchasers. We need secondary guns sales to require the same amount of scrutiny as purchases done if new weapons at a licensed dealer. We need one centralized "not eligible to purchase a firearm" database so that all states are on the same page. And ALL gun sales should be required to bump up against that database.

The list goes on and on. But none of these common sense things will happen because the NRA tells their membership that putting their name in a gov't database just tells them where to go when the Gov't wants to seize all their guns and take over the country (an actual argument made repeatedly by an NRA member coworker).

Breaking news, your AR-15 isn't going to keep the government from eradicating you if that ludicrous scenario played out. This isn't 1776. Some 18 year old in a drone pilot building on some base somewhere can wipe your existence off the planet without you ever knowing it is happening. The notion that people need to arm themselves to defend themselves from the government is as dumb as it gets.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:09 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 3:30 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:09 pm Why do we need regulations for fatness now? Why cant people be responsible for their own decisions. Noone is forcing that double bacon butter cheeseburger down anyones throat.


And yea. Can't impulsively jump off a bridge or a building or drive a car off a cliff etc. Damn gun just hopped out of of the closet and killed the guy.

Side note. Watched a guy jump off a building next to one I was working on. Watched him land, watched the ambulances and cops pick up the literal pieces. We should probably ban buildings. Or at least eliminate stairs and elevators.

Ugh, we're once again back to overly dramatic leaps of logic.

Just because a change will not eliminate all possibility of a gun crime doesn't mean it won't help. We need a national registry of guns so we know where they all are and so gun owners are accountable for their weapons. We need better screening of gun purchasers. We need secondary guns sales to require the same amount of scrutiny as purchases done if new weapons at a licensed dealer. We need one centralized "not eligible to purchase a firearm" database so that all states are on the same page. And ALL gun sales should be required to bump up against that database.

The list goes on and on. But none of these common sense things will happen because the NRA tells their membership that putting their name in a gov't database just tells them where to go when the Gov't wants to seize all their guns and take over the country (an actual argument made repeatedly by an NRA member coworker).

Breaking news, your AR-15 isn't going to keep the government from eradicating you if that ludicrous scenario played out. This isn't 1776. Some 18 year old in a drone pilot building on some base somewhere can wipe your existence off the planet without you ever knowing it is happening. The notion that people need to arm themselves to defend themselves from the government is as dumb as it gets.

Short version for TDub. Just like when Obama was in office, them libtards is coming for your guns!