Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:24 am the hypothetical I mean gotcha is alarming.

good cop/bad cop just so they could create themselves a reason to come down that much harder? Mean spirited and vindictive.

if they're gonna pull shit like that then wtf is the point of even working with the ncaa?

Don't self-report. Deny.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 amor we did something catastrophically dumb and reckless in Silvio's reinstatement process.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:24 am the hypothetical I mean gotcha is alarming.

good cop/bad cop just so they could create themselves a reason to come down that much harder? Mean spirited and vindictive.

if they're gonna pull shit like that then wtf is the point of even working with the ncaa?

Don't self-report. Deny.

I'm bothered by the story.

Either the NCAA is going against established practice (and possibly assurances given KU in Silvio's reinstatement process), or we did something catastrophically dumb and reckless in Silvio's reinstatement process.

Perhaps both.

In any case - if where this is really headed is that Kansas, Louisville and Arizona take the fall for Duke, Kentucky, UNC and the rest...I don't see a good reason why the sport should survive.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 amor we did something catastrophically dumb and reckless in Silvio's reinstatement process.

I'm sure KU's lawyers were all over the ramifications to stipulating to the booster part in the reinstatement case as to how it affects any institutional investigation. And yet, KU still decided to go out on a long limb for Silvio.

I guess if the consequences of sticking your neck out for a kid is to get your head chopped off, then how exactly is the NCAA serving its mission? Yes, burn the fucker down.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 amor we did something catastrophically dumb and reckless in Silvio's reinstatement process.

I'm sure KU's lawyers were all over the ramifications to stipulating to the booster part in the reinstatement case as to how it affects any institutional investigation. And yet, KU still decided to go out on a long limb for Silvio.

I guess if the consequences of sticking your neck out for a kid is to get your head chopped off, then how exactly is the NCAA serving its mission? Yes, burn the fucker down.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:44 am The problem with the black letter of the NCAA bylaws is that using catch-all phrases like: "Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs" or "Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics" would mean that every employee ever for adidas, nike, etc. is now a booster for every Division 1 program.

That means that any player that has ever played AAU ball has now accepted benefits (in the form of money, uniform, equipment, etc.) that are impermissible.

The problem with the NCAA bylaws is that they are entirely too long and too black letter. There is no wiggle room for common sense.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 amor we did something catastrophically dumb and reckless in Silvio's reinstatement process.

I'm sure KU's lawyers were all over the ramifications to stipulating to the booster part in the reinstatement case as to how it affects any institutional investigation. And yet, KU still decided to go out on a long limb for Silvio.

I guess if the consequences of sticking your neck out for a kid is to get your head chopped off, then how exactly is the NCAA serving its mission? Yes, burn the fucker down.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:00 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:44 am The problem with the black letter of the NCAA bylaws is that using catch-all phrases like: "Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs" or "Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics" would mean that every employee ever for adidas, nike, etc. is now a booster for every Division 1 program.

That means that any player that has ever played AAU ball has now accepted benefits (in the form of money, uniform, equipment, etc.) that are impermissible.

The problem with the NCAA bylaws is that they are entirely too long and too black letter. There is no wiggle room for common sense.

And it's not like there's a computer somewhere judging these things. When the rules are this complex and this black letter, then you're opening the door for MASSIVE variations on enforcement, based on who wants to make a case.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:22 am After the season Self needs to step up to the plate like K or Calipari would.

I understand why he wouldn't do it at the moment, because that's not fair to this team....but eventually he's going to have to admit this is common and he and others have been doing it for decades...otherwise we're going to take the fall and business will continue as normal for everyone else but us.