Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:48 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

Sounds like socialist commie talk...

I guess so.
DC should be by shortly to tell me how stoopid I am as well.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:51 pm I’ll reiterate my suggestion for economic policy:

1. An income tax rate based on an exponential curve. Everybody pays some, and the more you make, the more you pay. No loopholes and crap.

2. National sales tax. So we’re taxed not only based on income, but also on consumption. Rates could be lower for things like bread and milk, and higher for things like vacation homes and yachts.

The rich folks putting these politicians into office usually like some return on investment.

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

I try, whenever possible, to shop at places who pay their employees more money on their own.

This probably means I pay a little more, but I prefer it.

No one with work experience should accept or keep a minimum wage job. They're really only for first time employees, and even then if you don't very quickly (like within a few months) start getting raises, you should be applying for every other job possible.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:02 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

I try, whenever possible, to shop at places who pay their employees more money on their own.

This probably means I pay a little more, but I prefer it.

No one with work experience should accept or keep a minimum wage job. They're really only for first time employees, and even then if you don't very quickly (like within a few months) start getting raises, you should be applying for every other job possible.

<<Insert sad attempt to bitingly sarcastic here>>

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:53 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:48 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

Sounds like socialist commie talk...

I guess so.
DC should be by shortly to tell me how stoopid I am as well.

If the dunce cap fits...

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:45 am I'm still waiting to see costs go down from self checkouts.

Actually, this is a big factor going forward. So many wage-earning jobs will be replaced by automation.

(Of course, I’m suuure that all the companies implementing it will pass all those savings onto the consumer, right? Right?)

At this rate, eventually the whole workforce will be automated, save for one human whose job is to just press the “on” button.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:04 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:58 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:43 am
Those companies should pay their employees more money.

I just forwarded this to the HR department.

Thank god. I was shocked to find out that they were waiting to give raises until the government required it. You let them know that they could give raises on their own then?

It seems short-sighted and reactive, but I’m told this (edit:not offering a raise until you quit) is the practice at many employers.

They don’t give you a raise cuz of loyalty, or increasing your skill set, or taking on more and bigger responsibilities.

They basically try to see how much they can get out of you for the same rate. The only thing that prompts a raise is when they’re about to loose you anyway.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:02 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

I try, whenever possible, to shop at places who pay their employees more money on their own.

This probably means I pay a little more, but I prefer it.

No one with work experience should accept or keep a minimum wage job. They're really only for first time employees, and even then if you don't very quickly (like within a few months) start getting raises, you should be applying for every other job possible.

There are many jobs in the country that simply do not warrant being paid more than minimum wage. They aren't just for first time workers, they are also for workers who have little ability to do much more than the minimum. They are simple jobs that require no education, little training and little knowledge. And, like it or not, some people are simply not equipped to handle more than that. It doesn't mean we should raise the rates so that minimally equipped people can live comfortable lives.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:08 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:04 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:58 am

I just forwarded this to the HR department.

Thank god. I was shocked to find out that they were waiting to give raises until the government required it. You let them know that they could give raises on their own then?

It seems short-sighted and reactive, but I’m told this (edit:not offering a raise until you quit) is the practice at many employers.

They don’t give you a raise cuz of loyalty, or increasing your skill set, or taking on more and bigger responsibilities.

They basically try to see how much they can get out of you for the same rate. The only thing that prompts a raise is when they’re about to loose you anyway.

which is why you should leave.

If you go more than a year without any kind of raise, you should be updating and mailing out your resume. A reason employers can get away with that is complacency.

Also, people should not limit themselves so much geographically. If you aren't willing to leave the town your mom and dad live in, then you really don't get to complain about your low salary.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:05 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:45 am I'm still waiting to see costs go down from self checkouts.

Actually, this is a big factor going forward. So many wage-earning jobs will be replaced by automation.

(Of course, I’m suuure that all the companies implementing it will pass all those savings onto the consumer, right? Right?)

At this rate, eventually the whole workforce will be automated, save for one human whose job is to just press the “on” button.

Automation does not cost net jobs

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:05 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:45 am I'm still waiting to see costs go down from self checkouts.

Actually, this is a big factor going forward. So many wage-earning jobs will be replaced by automation.

(Of course, I’m suuure that all the companies implementing it will pass all those savings onto the consumer, right? Right?)

At this rate, eventually the whole workforce will be automated, save for one human whose job is to just press the “on” button.

False. Freeing workforce from blind monkey tasks allows them to be more focused on innovation and development. You can't build a robot to innovate.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:09 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:02 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:44 pm I, for one, don't mind if the things that I enjoy cost a bit more if it helps society as a whole.

I try, whenever possible, to shop at places who pay their employees more money on their own.

This probably means I pay a little more, but I prefer it.

No one with work experience should accept or keep a minimum wage job. They're really only for first time employees, and even then if you don't very quickly (like within a few months) start getting raises, you should be applying for every other job possible.

There are many jobs in the country that simply do not warrant being paid more than minimum wage. They aren't just for first time workers, they are also for workers who have little ability to do much more than the minimum. They are simple jobs that require no education, little training and little knowledge. And, like it or not, some people are simply not equipped to handle more than that. It doesn't mean we should raise the rates so that minimally equipped people can live comfortable lives.

When I was in HS, I had a minimum wage job...then after three months, I got a raise, probably just $.25 an hour or so, and then I think I got reviewed every 6 months after, and depending on how I did I got another raise...the harder I worked, the bigger the raise was. I even got a promotion. I think minimum wage at the time was $5.15 and I think that by 2 and a half years later, when I quit, I was making $6.75. Neither was good enough to raise a family, but it was pretty good for a 17 year old.

People with work experience shouldn't be making minimum wage.

Minimum wage should really only be paid to people for their first job, and then only for a brief amount of time.

Federal minimum wage should remain fairly low anyway, most states have a higher minimum wage on their own...but that makes sense, the minimum wage in CT should probably be higher than in rural WV...A large increase in federal minimum wage has a pretty negative impact in WV and no impact in a state like CT that already has a higher minimum wage, out of differences in cost of living.

Minimum wage earners firing off resumes.

Funny

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:31 pm Minimum wage earners firing off resumes.

Funny

I meant that for anyone who's employed.

A minimum wage worker can fill out job applications.

better?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:36 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:31 pm Minimum wage earners firing off resumes.

Funny

I meant that for anyone who's employed.

A minimum wage worker can fill out job applications.

better?

It doesn't need to better. Plano has no idea who earns minimum wage or why. He has a perception of what minimum wage means, the facts be damned.

Cuz party of science.

Or something.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:43 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:36 pm

jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:31 pm Minimum wage earners firing off resumes.

Funny

I meant that for anyone who's employed.

A minimum wage worker can fill out job applications.

better?

It doesn't need to better. Plano has no idea who earns minimum wage or why. He has a perception of what minimum wage means, the facts be damned.

Cuz party of science.

Or something.

You are such a fucking tool.

But, you already knew that.

I'm a tool?

Because you prattle on righteously but ignorantly about almost everything?

Weird.

No, just a tool in general.

So, I don't know that there are a significant amount of people in this country suffering because they can't earn a living wage?

That their children will likely suffer the same miserable existence?

That they are economically distressed and have no means of making their situations better?

Yep. The government should step in. That's the answer.

Dont ask or expect people to better themselves. Just expect the government to mandate that employees be paid more. And all of the rest of us to fund it.

I am not saying that $15 is what we should do, but $7.25 is pathetic.

How exactly would the rest of us fund it?
Because a Venti jumps up $.75?

Oh, the humanity