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Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:40 am
by dolomite
theory dead? Believe it or not.
Yet, the simplest explanation still remains most likely, that the Trump campaign, like virtually every reporter and political operative in Washington, wanted to see the WikiLeaks material and any dirt on the Clintons, just as the Clinton campaign paid for any dirt on Trump. The Russian efforts to influence our elections also is neither novel nor new.
Indeed, the United States has engaged in hacking not just our enemies but our allies, as well as intervening in the elections of other countries, just as many of those same countries attempt against us. There is nothing “tantalizing” or “mysterious” in such an explanation, because it is more factual than aspirational. The boring truth here is that criminal collusion theories are weaker today than they were a year ago. While Mueller has found ample basis to charge people with false statements, the record of these filings shows more confusion than collusion in the Trump campaign.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4 ... heory-dead
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:47 am
by defixione
Dolomite: Thirty-three people indicted, at least a half dozen to serve time, yet nothing has been found in Russian conspiracy probe.
lulz
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
by dolomite
Find me a man, I'll find you a crime. Nothing related to collusion. lol
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:56 am
by Deleted User 62
Is this the part where we pour on the "nothing to see here", hoping that when there is something to see....no one will notice?
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:06 am
by defixione
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
Find me a man, I'll find you a crime. Nothing related to collusion. lol
We don't know for sure.
lulz
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:10 am
by dolomite
defixione wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:06 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
Find me a man, I'll find you a crime. Nothing related to collusion. lol
We don't know for sure.
lulz
keep on hoping, lol
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:16 am
by seahawk
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
Find me a man, I'll find you a crime. Nothing related to collusion. lol
I'm waiting for the "Grand jury will indict a ham sandwich" quote.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:07 pm
by defixione
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:10 am
defixione wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:06 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
Find me a man, I'll find you a crime. Nothing related to collusion. lol
We don't know for sure.
lulz
keep on hoping, lol
I'm hoping that there's no treason as much as you're hoping there's no collusion.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:45 am
by dolomite
defixione wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:07 pm
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:10 am
defixione wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:06 am
We don't know for sure.
lulz
keep on hoping, lol
I'm hoping that there's no treason as much as you're hoping there's no collusion.
So just curious , what has Trump done that is treasonous?
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am
by Deleted User 89
publicly asked russia to undertake cyber espionage on a fellow american?
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:37 am
by Deleted User 62
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am
publicly asked russia to undertake cyber espionage on a fellow american?
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:57 pm
by zsn
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:45 am
So just curious , what has Trump done that is treasonous?
Do you mean today, or this week, or.........
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:59 pm
by twocoach
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:45 am
defixione wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:07 pm
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:10 am
keep on hoping, lol
I'm hoping that there's no treason as much as you're hoping there's no collusion.
So just curious , what has Trump done that is treasonous?
Waiting for the Mueller report to be released before I could answer that question.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:45 pm
by dolomite
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am
publicly asked russia to undertake cyber espionage on a fellow american?
Clearly, you do not understand the definition of treason. Look it up.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:44 pm
by seahawk
I thought the topic was "criminal collusion," not parsing the definition of "treason."
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:25 pm
by dolomite
seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:44 pm
I thought the topic was "criminal collusion," not parsing the definition of "treason."
Collusion on its face is not a crime, only if there is criminal intent then yes it is.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:32 pm
by dolomite
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am
publicly asked russia to undertake cyber espionage on a fellow american?
Here ya go: So can we put the silly "treason" thing to bed?
Because of this history, a lot of things that might seem or feel like treason to casual observers do not, in fact, come close. In this context “enemies,” for example, must be countries against which Congress has formally declared war or otherwise authorized the use of force. (So contemporary Russia is out, whatever role it may have played in the 2016 election.) Even during the height of the Cold War, when Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were tried, convicted and executed for conveying nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, the charge against them was espionage, not treason.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/a ... ncna848651
Re: Collusion
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:37 pm
by Deleted User 62
So....Trump is guilty of espionage?
Works for me.
Re: Collusion
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:53 am
by dolomite
jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:37 pm
So....Trump is guilty of espionage?
Works for me.
lol
Re: Collusion
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am
by defixione
lulz @ doly, aka, Trump's Charlie McCarthy.