Kansas Crimson

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:30 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:26 am
Not at the top you can't. Just count the national titles by each conference.

I agree with PHD the strength of the big 12 is that there are less teams and no teams that are shit every single year.

Ok, but you didn't say "better at the top." You said "better."

Now it is perfectly reasonable to judge a conference by how many elite teams it has. It is also perfectly reasonable to judge it top to bottom.

Dismissing the streak because of the Big 12's overall strength is...fine, I guess? But the point is that it requires a very particular way of looking at things (or, at least, a closed mind).

I'm not trying to dismiss the streak. Sorry if that's how it seemed. Not my intent at all.

I guess in the end, when thinking about it from a "Kansas perspective" winning the big 12 is easier than winning the ACC because the top isn't as good...we just don't have duke unc Virginia type top..we've got Kansas....and then whoever else is good in a given year.

Not dismissing it. Just saying the ACC is better, even when considering overall top to bottom, and recognizing there are less teams in big 12, because ACC has 2 elite programs...and then they also have UVA who has been on a hot run.

Big 12 needs another elite team....when is the last time someone from the big 12 got a 1 seed in the tournament that wasn't Kansas? Was it OU buddy hield year?

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:47 am Virginia makes that tricky. They've been elite for a handful of years now competing for 1 seeds, even though they haven't seen tournament success....which brings us full circle on judging teams mainly on post season success.

I have zero doubt in my mind that if the big 12 had duke or unc that the streak wouldn't exist.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:59 am Here's the thing. Vick's absence shouldn't hurt KU too much over the next 2 weeks. Because, as his mom said, he is needed for a "couple of weeks"

Home against oSu. They have 6 scholarship guys.
On the road at TCU, they have dropped off. Offense runs through Robinson, but that's about it.
Home against WV. Should be a win as long as they don't play stupid.

And in exactly 2 weeks, KU will be on the road at Tech. Now Vick had an average game with 13 points in a 20 some point win and Lubbock is tough to play in. But the best case scenario is that he is back for that game. But KU can manage in the 3 games above. I wouldn't be surprised if KU went 8-0 over the last remaining games. Or they could go 5-3 over the last 8.

The only thing is, I don't know if kstate has more than 3 losses remaining on their schedule. So KU will have to be almost perfect.

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:57 am In the last 14 years, Duke has won the title or shared the title a total of 2 times. Two. Last time being 2010. In that same timeframe UNC has won or shared a total of 8 times.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:06 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:59 am Here's the thing. Vick's absence shouldn't hurt KU too much over the next 2 weeks. Because, as his mom said, he is needed for a "couple of weeks"

Home against oSu. They have 6 scholarship guys.
On the road at TCU, they have dropped off. Offense runs through Robinson, but that's about it.
Home against WV. Should be a win as long as they don't play stupid.

And in exactly 2 weeks, KU will be on the road at Tech. Now Vick had an average game with 13 points in a 20 some point win and Lubbock is tough to play in. But the best case scenario is that he is back for that game. But KU can manage in the 3 games above. I wouldn't be surprised if KU went 8-0 over the last remaining games. Or they could go 5-3 over the last 8.

The only thing is, I don't know if kstate has more than 3 losses remaining on their schedule. So KU will have to be almost perfect.

It's of course true that we have like 3% of the relevant information, but: I think it would be best for Vick to just be done.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:07 am

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:57 am In the last 14 years, Duke has won the title or shared the title a total of 2 times. Two. Last time being 2010. In that same timeframe UNC has won or shared a total of 8 times.

And doesn't that show that the ACC is tougher to win than the big 12?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:06 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:59 am Here's the thing. Vick's absence shouldn't hurt KU too much over the next 2 weeks. Because, as his mom said, he is needed for a "couple of weeks"

Home against oSu. They have 6 scholarship guys.
On the road at TCU, they have dropped off. Offense runs through Robinson, but that's about it.
Home against WV. Should be a win as long as they don't play stupid.

And in exactly 2 weeks, KU will be on the road at Tech. Now Vick had an average game with 13 points in a 20 some point win and Lubbock is tough to play in. But the best case scenario is that he is back for that game. But KU can manage in the 3 games above. I wouldn't be surprised if KU went 8-0 over the last remaining games. Or they could go 5-3 over the last 8.

The only thing is, I don't know if kstate has more than 3 losses remaining on their schedule. So KU will have to be almost perfect.

It's of course true that we have like 3% of the relevant information, but: I think it would be best for Vick to just be done.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:35 pm I hope the youngster is able to come back to campus with a clear mind. And crush it.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:05 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:06 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:59 am Here's the thing. Vick's absence shouldn't hurt KU too much over the next 2 weeks. Because, as his mom said, he is needed for a "couple of weeks"

Home against oSu. They have 6 scholarship guys.
On the road at TCU, they have dropped off. Offense runs through Robinson, but that's about it.
Home against WV. Should be a win as long as they don't play stupid.

And in exactly 2 weeks, KU will be on the road at Tech. Now Vick had an average game with 13 points in a 20 some point win and Lubbock is tough to play in. But the best case scenario is that he is back for that game. But KU can manage in the 3 games above. I wouldn't be surprised if KU went 8-0 over the last remaining games. Or they could go 5-3 over the last 8.

The only thing is, I don't know if kstate has more than 3 losses remaining on their schedule. So KU will have to be almost perfect.

It's of course true that we have like 3% of the relevant information, but: I think it would be best for Vick to just be done.

This certainly feels intuitively like this is the end for Vick...but then why say it's a 'leave of absence'?

I get wanting to protect a player and not throw someone under the bus, but why create expectations for the fans that there will be a return if it's clear there won't be one?

One of my few complaints with Self is this sort of secrecy where he drags things out when there is no reason for it...maybe some of the examples of this were atcually uncertain, but there are a lot of times where we as fans are left thinking something is going to happen in the future that never does, and I hate being led on like that if these are things that are definite.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:12 pm It's at least possible that the wording is to help him save some face or to get him/Lala to go along with it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:12 pm It's at least possible that the wording is to help him save some face or to get him/Lala to go along with it.