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CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm There's nothing to suggest that he'll be on the floor enough to get above like 15/9/1.5.

Health is only half his problem on the minutes front. He's just a 13/7 type of guy in today's game.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:46 pmShattering a backboard or something that goes viral could help that.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:50 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:46 pmShattering a backboard or something that goes viral could help that.

Like say at MSG against dook? I'm down.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:49 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm There's nothing to suggest that he'll be on the floor enough to get above like 15/9/1.5.

Health is only half his problem on the minutes front. He's just a 13/7 type of guy in today's game.

Sure. But he's what, 20 still? Holy shit he's 19 right now. He'll play his entire senior year at 20.

It's not inconceivable he'll figure some things out. Withey went from nearly unplayable to arguably the most impactful (and not lower than second-most-impactful) 5 Bill has had.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pmIn the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pm It's just a matter of having the conditioning and ability to stay out of foul trouble for Dok.

In the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

Defensively he's only a non-numbers liability guarding perimeter players, he's actually pretty good (for a big) at defending the screen and roll. Most non-Villanova teams don't play 5 guys on the perimeter.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pmIn the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

Dedric dwarfs those numbers.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pmIn the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

Dedric dwarfs those numbers.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:02 pm I don't recall Dedric making any AA team. Maybe if some publications go to 3rd/4th teams.

I'll gladly take those numbers because it means we're really good. I do think, however, that Dotson and Hampton will look like our two best players.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:01 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pmIn the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

Dedric dwarfs those numbers.

Dedric was playing 33 mpg. We're hoping Dok plays 24.

If you use that to say Dedric is the better player, that's cool. Being able to actually BE IN the game is an important factor. But on a per minute basis, Dok is as good of a weapon as Self has had, his per 40s are considerably better than Lawson's for last season.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pm It's just a matter of having the conditioning and ability to stay out of foul trouble for Dok.

In the games he played 20 or more minutes last year he was 17.7/8.2/2.2

That's got a shot at an AA team and CPOY with those numbers.

Defensively he's only a non-numbers liability guarding perimeter players, he's actually pretty good (for a big) at defending the screen and roll. Most non-Villanova teams don't play 5 guys on the perimeter.

I think we're saying the same thing - he's got a reasonable shot at putting up great numbers.

I think you're giving him too much credit defensively, though. It's not just guarding perimeter players. His awareness in all aspects of defense has been lacking. He is frequently out of position, and his foul trouble comes largely from that.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:04 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:02 pm I don't recall Dedric making any AA team. Maybe if some publications go to 3rd/4th teams.

I'll gladly take those numbers because it means we're really good. I do think, however, that Dotson and Hampton will look like our two best players.

He was 2nd on Sporting News and 3rd on AP, NABC and USBWA!

(This is a good example of how disgusted all of us were with this team.)

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:04 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:01 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:57 pm

Dedric dwarfs those numbers.

Dedric was playing 33 mpg. We're hoping Dok plays 24.

If you use that to say Dedric is the better player, that's cool. Being able to actually BE IN the game is an important factor. But on a per minute basis, Dok is as good of a weapon as Self has had, his per 40s are considerably better than Lawson's for last season.

I do think Dedric is better but that was not what I was trying to say.

And, now that I read your post again, I thought CPOY meant college player of the year (Naismith award, as the tweet indicated). I don't think 17 and 8 will get you close to a Naismith, but conference POY? Yes, those numbers make you a candidate.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:05 pmI think Dok's got it in him to be a decent team defender, and an above average rim protector if he gets the reps to build the timing and muscle memory.