Re: The Roof, The Roof
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:37 pm
Thanks for all the info.
It’s like that guy who was just here to help.
What was his name again?
It’s like that guy who was just here to help.
What was his name again?
EXTREMELY stupid question - presuming the county office has blueprints or other documents on file, would those maybe show the answer?TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:52 pm There shouldn't be plumbing in a bedroom walls unless it shares a wall with a kitchen or bathroom.
If you know for sure you're going to be doing something with this room.
Pull the drywall off the wall, that will expose all the wiring and you'll have a better idea of how to move forward.
I don't think most counties keep that kind of info on file for residential properties. They usually just have a basic sketch of the exterior dimensions and some basic property info like year built.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pmEXTREMELY stupid question - presuming the county office has blueprints or other documents on file, would those maybe show the answer?TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:52 pm There shouldn't be plumbing in a bedroom walls unless it shares a wall with a kitchen or bathroom.
If you know for sure you're going to be doing something with this room.
Pull the drywall off the wall, that will expose all the wiring and you'll have a better idea of how to move forward.
Relatively recent construction (early 2000s), no prior remodels.
What I'm hoping is that the only work that would be required is cutting branch lines or loops off altogether (and connecting circuits/lines as needed). Would make the project we have in mind feasible. If it would involve re-routing all of this stuff, then the economics may well not add up.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:51 pm depends on the contractor and the number of remodels.
Ductwork in particular will run through a centralized trunk line vertically and then also horizontally with branch lines splitting off to serve each room vent etc.
Electrical will preferably follow a similar pattern with home run circuits back to the panel bundled/ cabled centrally and run back to the panel in a group with individual lines in the group splitting off to serve the room switches and outlets . Lighting will be on a separate circuit from the outlets and should come down from the attic into the switch and then back up and over to the fixture. Outlet lines similar other than it will drop down into the nearest outlet to the hall and then from that outlet will run outlet to outlet through the room walls in holes drilled through the studs art somewhere between 18 and 42" AFF.
if there are outlets on the other side of the adjacent walls they may also be served by this same circuit.
They won't have the level of detail you're looking for...a lot of that is field driven, contractors choice.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pmEXTREMELY stupid question - presuming the county office has blueprints or other documents on file, would those maybe show the answer?TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:52 pm There shouldn't be plumbing in a bedroom walls unless it shares a wall with a kitchen or bathroom.
If you know for sure you're going to be doing something with this room.
Pull the drywall off the wall, that will expose all the wiring and you'll have a better idea of how to move forward.
Relatively recent construction (early 2000s), no prior remodels.
If we know the builder, might they give the plans?TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:06 pmThey won't have the level of detail you're looking for...a lot of that is field driven, contractors choice.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 pmEXTREMELY stupid question - presuming the county office has blueprints or other documents on file, would those maybe show the answer?TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:52 pm There shouldn't be plumbing in a bedroom walls unless it shares a wall with a kitchen or bathroom.
If you know for sure you're going to be doing something with this room.
Pull the drywall off the wall, that will expose all the wiring and you'll have a better idea of how to move forward.
Relatively recent construction (early 2000s), no prior remodels.
with the caveat that I'm not seeing the house....Its likely this can be done without major interruption to these systems. They'll pull the wires out if the outlets back to the homerun. leave thay hanging. Then take that put it back in the new box and run wires box to box from that point. So, you'd have new wires to the new boxes but not have to pull the homerun circuit.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:58 pmWhat I'm hoping is that the only work that would be required is cutting branch lines or loops off altogether (and connecting circuits/lines as needed). Would make the project we have in mind feasible. If it would involve re-routing all of this stuff, then the economics may well not add up.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:51 pm depends on the contractor and the number of remodels.
Ductwork in particular will run through a centralized trunk line vertically and then also horizontally with branch lines splitting off to serve each room vent etc.
Electrical will preferably follow a similar pattern with home run circuits back to the panel bundled/ cabled centrally and run back to the panel in a group with individual lines in the group splitting off to serve the room switches and outlets . Lighting will be on a separate circuit from the outlets and should come down from the attic into the switch and then back up and over to the fixture. Outlet lines similar other than it will drop down into the nearest outlet to the hall and then from that outlet will run outlet to outlet through the room walls in holes drilled through the studs art somewhere between 18 and 42" AFF.
if there are outlets on the other side of the adjacent walls they may also be served by this same circuit.
Roger that. Very helpful - thank you. Now that we're deeper into this, the context is actually that we're considering making an offer on a house that would need this done to work for us...and obviously the tough part is figuring reno costs into the offer.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:18 pmwith the caveat that I'm not seeing the house....Its likely this can be done without major interruption to these systems. They'll pull the wires out if the outlets back to the homerun. leave thay hanging. Then take that put it back in the new box and run wires box to box from that point. So, you'd have new wires to the new boxes but not have to pull the homerun circuit.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:58 pmWhat I'm hoping is that the only work that would be required is cutting branch lines or loops off altogether (and connecting circuits/lines as needed). Would make the project we have in mind feasible. If it would involve re-routing all of this stuff, then the economics may well not add up.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:51 pm depends on the contractor and the number of remodels.
Ductwork in particular will run through a centralized trunk line vertically and then also horizontally with branch lines splitting off to serve each room vent etc.
Electrical will preferably follow a similar pattern with home run circuits back to the panel bundled/ cabled centrally and run back to the panel in a group with individual lines in the group splitting off to serve the room switches and outlets . Lighting will be on a separate circuit from the outlets and should come down from the attic into the switch and then back up and over to the fixture. Outlet lines similar other than it will drop down into the nearest outlet to the hall and then from that outlet will run outlet to outlet through the room walls in holes drilled through the studs art somewhere between 18 and 42" AFF.
if there are outlets on the other side of the adjacent walls they may also be served by this same circuit.
The ductwork likely will be a branch line that can be cut and capped back to the trunk line. Or, rerouted to accommodate the needs of the new space.
yea...its just my hunch that the plans aren't going to be very helpful.
We located the plans, and the builder did in fact identify that chase and other utility stuff (and concluded that, with a high degree of certainty, the rooms we want taken out, can be taken out).TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:51 amyea...its just my hunch that the plans aren't going to be very helpful.
On commercial buildings everything is documented and redlined with any field driven changes, RFIs, etc to reflect the final condition or the building regarding install of important systems and structure.
Residential however........is not. Houses get built off of napkin sketches all the time. Just enough detail for the city/county to give you a stamp and permit. The field changes vary greatly and are almost never documented on any sort of plans. Usually the inspector, if he can understand the logic of why the change was made and it stays within the code....is going to sign off on it without needing a official document change.
The thing that probably WILL be shown in those documents is where the chase is for your vertical runs. It will be a walled box with no doors, probably 2x2 or 3x3 or 3x2....fully walled in, probably in a closet, corner of a bathroom, end of a hallway... That will be where your ductwork goes from level 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Also Likely that much of your main electrical runs will use that same chase.
I'm guessing the pieces in question are particle/press board. Not sure this is the right word, but I'd called them "formed".
if that’s the case, i’d say their done