Kansas Crimson

So if statues, flags, monuments etc. are being taken down, why not do the same to all monuments that feature slave owners, such as Mt. Rushmore, our "shrine of democracy"? If paybacks are due it might come about sooner rather than later because eventually in the U.S. if census projections are correct whites will no longer be the majority.

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Do you not think people should be judged by the context of what was considered right and wrong at their time in history?

Do you get that's the difference here?

I get the difference, but what was "right" then wasn't truly "right". In fact, much of it was "wrong" imo.

Monuments don't have feelings, but people do. I would rather attempt to create a happy environment for people alive now, rather than worry about nonexistent feelings of monuments of dead people.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:55 pm I get the difference, but what was "right" then wasn't truly "right". In fact, much of it was "wrong" imo.

Monuments don't have feelings, but people do. I would rather attempt to create a happy environment for people alive now, rather than worry about nonexistent feelings of monuments of dead people.

That’s a big part of the problem right now. There’s no making the OuTRaGe crowd happy because they don’t know what they want other than to be angry and hurt other people. A few weeks from now, they’ll still be empty and dissatisfied, and they’ll move on to something else to fill the void.

Did anyone on Mt. Rushmore fight for, and loose, a war to keep black lives enslaved?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:05 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:55 pm I get the difference, but what was "right" then wasn't truly "right". In fact, much of it was "wrong" imo.

Monuments don't have feelings, but people do. I would rather attempt to create a happy environment for people alive now, rather than worry about nonexistent feelings of monuments of dead people.

That’s a big part of the problem right now. There’s no making the OuTRaGe crowd happy because they don’t know what they want other than to be angry and hurt other people. A few weeks from now, they’ll still be empty and dissatisfied, and they’ll move on to something else to fill the void.

Well I agree outrage culture is over the top at times, but that isn't who I'm talking about keeping happy. There are a lot of reasonable people who think certain problematic figures from the past shouldn't be celebrated or glorified. Obviously, we can't make everyone happy, and over time our culture has changed so significantly. It is a tough task either way. No perfect solution.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:08 pm Did anyone on Mt. Rushmore fight for, and loose, a war to keep black lives enslaved?

No. So?

So let’s dance!

The statue of Jeff Davis came down in KY capitol today.

The outrage culture in dopeytowne just want a cheap place to live. And the right not to work if they don’t feel like working. In other words, gobbs and gobbs of government freebies.

Whaaa?

90% of the dopes in dopeytowne couldn’t tell you who Jefferson davis is.

Do you have a map of dopeytowne?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:22 pm The outrage culture in dopeytowne just want a cheap place to live. And the right not to work if they don’t feel like working. In other words, gobbs and gobbs of government freebies.

But they don't want police now, or any laws. They want Somalia, essentially. How is that consistent with their idea that more government will fix everything? I don't think they are aware of the irony.

It's a sad state we are in right now, and embarrassing. A group of idiots with a herd mentality will try their best to get you fired, just for having an opinion that differs from theirs. Of course in their mind, you're always "racist." The sad reality is, nothing we do can with government is going to fix the problems with blacks in this country. It has to come from within people's families, and we have to not be afraid to have an honest discussion about it.

Mjl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:50 pm Do you not think people should be judged by the context of what was considered right and wrong at their time in history?

Do you get that's the difference here?

Washington and Jefferson owned over 900 slaves between them and I guess it was generally accepted practice at that time. But I doubt very much if their slaves were ever "OK" with it. So many would consider it abhorrent that they are honored by being on Mt. Rushmore.

dolomite wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:50 pm Do you not think people should be judged by the context of what was considered right and wrong at their time in history?

Do you get that's the difference here?

Washington and Jefferson owned over 900 slaves between them and I guess it was generally accepted practice at that time. But I doubt very much if their slaves were ever "OK" with it. So many would consider it abhorrent that they are honored by being on Mt. Rushmore.

If they chose to remove the monuments at Mt. Rushmore, I would have zero problem with it. It's disgusting what the did to the Native Americans in that area to begin with.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:56 pm

dolomite wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:50 pm Do you not think people should be judged by the context of what was considered right and wrong at their time in history?

Do you get that's the difference here?

Washington and Jefferson owned over 900 slaves between them and I guess it was generally accepted practice at that time. But I doubt very much if their slaves were ever "OK" with it. So many would consider it abhorrent that they are honored by being on Mt. Rushmore.

If they chose to remove the monuments at Mt. Rushmore, I would have zero problem with it. It's disgusting what the did to the Native Americans in that area to begin with.

So, we're in agreement here. White man.... bad!

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:08 pm Did anyone on Mt. Rushmore fight for, and loose, a war to keep black lives enslaved?

How about fought for and won?
England banned slavery over 50 years before the US did.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:56 pm

dolomite wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:50 pm Do you not think people should be judged by the context of what was considered right and wrong at their time in history?

Do you get that's the difference here?

Washington and Jefferson owned over 900 slaves between them and I guess it was generally accepted practice at that time. But I doubt very much if their slaves were ever "OK" with it. So many would consider it abhorrent that they are honored by being on Mt. Rushmore.

If they chose to remove the monuments at Mt. Rushmore, I would have zero problem with it. It's disgusting what the did to the Native Americans in that area to begin with.

wouldn't hurt my feelings either.

Do a new one with less problematic people.

Wouldn’t be a United States without George Washington.