We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

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I wouldn't go so far as to say LOCK THE THREAD, but this (bolding/underlining mine) is about as neat of a bow as you can put on things at the moment (noting that the author includes links to sources in her post).

December 13, 2023

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-13-2023
In a day that was chock full of political stories in which Republicans were launching attacks on Democrats, Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI) made a key point. “We have not passed an emergency supplemental, a Farm Bill, or regular Appropriations,” he said. “The story is not what they are doing. The story is what they are not doing.”

Schatz was referring to specific, vital measures that are not getting through Congress: the outstanding funding bill for aid to Ukraine and Israel, border security, and humanitarian aid for Gaza; the Farm Bill, which governs the nation’s agricultural and food assistance programs and needs to be renewed every five years; and the regular appropriations bills that Congress must pass and that House extremists tossed out former speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) over because they wanted deep cuts that he had agreed with President Joe Biden not to make.

But there is a larger point behind Schatz’s observation. Republicans, especially the extremist wing, have garnered power by promising to stop the government from acting. The extraordinary gerrymandering in Republican-dominated states following Operation REDMAP in 2010 created such safe districts that Republicans did not need to worry about losing elections. That safety meant that their role was not to offer real legislative solutions to problems, but rather to gin up support for the party nationally by pushing party talking points on right-wing media. Those talking points focused on slashing the government, which they claimed was hurting their constituents by defending secular society and providing benefits to undeserving minorities and women.

Now, though, the Republicans are in charge of the House of Representatives, and they actually need to get work done. But extremist Republicans’ skill set involves pushing talking points to create a false reality that demands gutting the government, not legislating, which requires compromise and deep understanding of issues.

We appear to be watching Republicans’ fake image crash against reality.


This morning was the scheduled date for the House Oversight Committee’s closed-door deposition from President Biden’s son Hunter. Committee chair James Comer (R-KY) subpoenaed him in early November, trying to find evidence that the president participated in illegal business deals before he became president. But, in fact, the committee is making its case entirely by innuendo—it has turned up no evidence of any such schemes—and publicly misrepresented the closed-door testimony of Hunter Biden’s former business partner to say the opposite of what it did.

So Hunter Biden’s lawyers called their bluff, saying the younger Biden would be happy to testify…but only in a public hearing, so that his testimony could not be misrepresented. The committee refused that offer, saying he must appear behind closed doors, a condition that seemed to undercut their claim they want transparency.

Today, Hunter Biden turned the tables on their habit of giving press statements by showing up himself outside of the Capitol to reiterate that he would answer “any legitimate questions” in a public hearing. “Republicans do not want an open process where Americans can see their tactics, expose their baseless inquiry, or hear what I have to say. What are they afraid of?”

He offered his own statement. “Let me state as clearly as I can,” he said. “[M]y father was not financially involved in my business, not as a practicing lawyer, not as a board member of Burisma, not in my partnership with a Chinese private businessman, not in my investments at home nor abroad, and certainly not as an artist,” he said. “There is no evidence to support the allegations that my father was financially involved in my business, because it did not happen,” he said.

He portrayed his father as a loving parent who supported him through his addiction struggle, and noted that Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) had showed naked photos of him in a committee hearing, taking “the light of my dad’s love for me” and presenting it “as darkness.”

Republicans say they will prosecute Hunter Biden for contempt of Congress because he defied a subpoena. But that, too, is awkward, as a number of Republican representatives—including Judiciary Committee chair Jim Jordan (R-OH)—ignored subpoenas from the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Pushing the idea that there is a “Biden crime family” is a transparent effort to create confusion by suggesting that the Bidens are simply the Democratic version of the Trumps, whose family business, the Trump Organization, was found guilty of tax fraud in January 2023. Judge Arthur Engoron also found that company, along with Trump and his two older sons and two other employees, liable for bank fraud in September 2023 and is currently considering fines of at least $250 million and ending the Trumps’ ability to do business in New York. Testimony in that trial concluded today.

With no comparable Biden Organization, Republicans are trying to invent one.


Their effort to convince voters that President Biden is corrupt has led to the tail wagging the dog as, after hearing constantly about how lawless Biden is, their supporters have demanded that House Republicans launch an impeachment inquiry into him. Today, House Republicans unanimously voted to open such an inquiry, though the lack of evidence made them caution that such an inquiry did not mean they would ultimately impeach the president.

When asked what he’s hoping to gain from an impeachment inquiry, Representative Troy Nehls (R-TX) answered: “All I can say is Donald J. Trump 2024, baby.”

Biden reacted with uncharacteristic anger, calling out Republicans for ignoring the many imperative issues before them in order to “waste time on this baseless political stunt that even Republicans in Congress admit is not supported by facts.” He listed the nation’s unfinished business: funding for Ukraine and Israel, immigration policy, and funding the government to avoid “self-inflicted economic crises like a government shutdown, which Republicans in Congress are driving us toward in just a few weeks because they won’t act now to fund the government and critical priorities to make life better for the American people.”

Biden pointed out that having wasted weeks after tossing out their own House speaker and “having to expel their own members”—a reference to George Santos (R-NY), whom the House expelled two weeks ago—Republicans are now “leaving for a month without doing anything to address these pressing challenges.”

Republicans’ image has met reality today in another way, as well. In 2020, former president Trump insisted that Biden would tank the economy, but in fact, under Biden it has bloomed. Today the Dow Jones Industrial Average, one of the key measures of the stock market, climbed to a new all-time high, topping out at over 37,000. At the same time, unemployment has sat below 4% for months now, and inflation has fallen, showing that “Bidenomics” has been hugely successful.

Tonight, though, Trump doubled down on Republican talking points, telling an audience in Iowa that unless he is reelected—presumably to reverse Biden’s policies—“we’ll have a depression the likes of which I don’t believe anybody has ever seen.”

But in an interesting rejection of House talking points in favor of reality, this evening the Senate passed a clean $886 billion National Defense Authorization Act, which gives a 5.2% pay raise to military personnel, by a vote of 87 to 13. House Republicans had loaded the measure up with a wish list of attacks on abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, and diversity initiatives.

Tomorrow the measure will go to the House, where extremist Republicans angrily oppose it, but experts expect it will pass nonetheless.
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Agree with all of that. Republicans have voted in Congressional members who are there to be a thorn in the side of Dems who are trying to legislate and not to actually legislate anything themselves.
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twocoach wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:46 am Agree with all of that. Republicans have voted in Congressional members who are there to be a thorn in the side of Dems who are trying to legislate and not to actually legislate anything themselves.
And - the entire thing (as it sits today) is based on telling lies. Not spinning truths, or partisan perspective, or the-Dems-do-it-too, or (giggle) good-faith policy disagreement.

Lies.

The bitch of it is, nearly all present R supporters fall into one of three buckets: (1) those who cannot discern the lies, (2) those who can discern the lies, but flee (psychologically and/or rhetorically) from having to, or (3) those who can and do discern the lies, and accept them as the cost of doing business.
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:56 am
twocoach wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:46 am Agree with all of that. Republicans have voted in Congressional members who are there to be a thorn in the side of Dems who are trying to legislate and not to actually legislate anything themselves.
And - the entire thing (as it sits today) is based on telling lies. Not spinning truths, or partisan perspective, or the-Dems-do-it-too, or (giggle) good-faith policy disagreement.

Lies.

The bitch of it is, nearly all present R supporters fall into one of three buckets: (1) those who cannot discern the lies, (2) those who can discern the lies, but flee (psychologically and/or rhetorically) from having to, or (3) those who can and do discern the lies, and accept them as the cost of doing business.
You forgot (4) Traitors (willing or unwilling).
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Well, glad we didn’t lock the thread, because today’s is a banger also. Again, noting that sources are linked at the post, and bold/underline is mine.

December 14, 2023

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-14-2023
Today is one of those days when the main story is not what’s on the pages, but what the stories say when they are themselves seen as a pattern.

This morning the Associated Press ran a story by national political reporter Brian Slodysko titled “The Republican leading the probe of Hunter Biden has his own shell company and complicated friends.” It told the story of how Representative James Comer (R-KY), the chair of the House Oversight Committee, has a financial history that looks a great deal like that of which he accuses the Bidens, including a shell company that appears to ethics experts to have problematic connections to a campaign donor.

Comer is leading the House impeachment effort against President Joe Biden, an effort that Philip Bump of the Washington Post eviscerated today when he took apart Republicans’ accusations point by point. The Associated Press story is interesting not because it tells us something we don’t know—the story of Comer’s shell company is what led him to attack Representative Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) as a “Smurf” last month—but because of how far and wide it spread.

By this evening, Slodysko’s story had been reprinted by ABC News, the Los Angeles Times, and a number of smaller outlets.

The strength of that story, after years in which the Republican narrative was largely unchallenged in popular political culture, reminds me of the rise of the so-called muckrakers of the Progressive Era. That is, journalists from the 1870s onward wrote a lot about the shift in power during the Gilded Age toward the very wealthy and the politicians they bought. But it was only in the 1890s that journalists, writing for magazines like the landmark publication McClure’s Magazine, began to gain traction as cultural leaders.

Key to that shift was the sense that those who had been directing the country for decades were vulnerable, that they might lose their perch on top of the political, social, and economic ladder.

The vulnerability of the dominance of today’s MAGA Republicans has been exposed in part by the fecklessness of House Republicans, whose lack of interest in governing is evident from their focus on passing bills loaded with extremist demands that signal to their base but are nonstarters for actually passing the Senate and getting the president’s signature. Yesterday those same House Republicans voted unanimously to launch an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden although they are unable to identify any reason for that inquiry.

The Larry, Moe, and Curly aspect of their leadership seems to have made them appear to be low-hanging fruit for investigative journalists. When Hunter Biden yesterday stood in front of the U.S. Capitol and called House Republicans out for not daring to let him testify in public while they were using their privileged positions to show naked pictures of him in a hearing, he did the same thing McClure’s writers did: he personalized politicians’ abuse of their power.

That, in turn, makes it easier for people who might not otherwise note the large swings of politics to understand exactly what the Republicans are doing.

The vulnerability of the MAGA Republicans showed up in another way, today, too. Today is the eleventh anniversary of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, in which a 20-year-old murdered 20 children between the ages of six and seven years old, and six adult staff members. In that wake of that mass shooting, Americans demanded background checks for gun purchases, a policy supported by 90% of Americans. But the measure was killed in the Senate by lawmakers who represented just 38% of the American people.

Since then, Republicans have blocked legislation to regulate guns and have instead offered thoughts and prayers after each mass shooting.

That dominant narrative was turned on its head today when Mothers for Democracy/Mothers Against Greg Abbott released a devastating ad in which a young girl falls into a swimming pool and, rather than jumping in to save her, her mother prays for God to save her while observers—including a man who looks like Texas governor Greg Abbott—offer thoughts and prayers as the child drowns. “Thoughts and prayers are meaningless when you can act,” the ad says. “Act Now. Demand gun reform.”


The vulnerability of MAGA Republicans was also underscored today at the trial of former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has already been found liable for defaming Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, to determine what damages he owes them.

Giuliani told reporters on Wednesday that he would testify in his own defense, but his lawyer stopped that plan after Giuliani continued to attack the women this week. In his closing statement at the trial, Giuliani’s lawyer could suggest only that the former New York City mayor is “a good man.” “He hasn’t exactly helped himself with some of the things that have happened in the last few days,” the lawyer said, adding, “My client, he’s almost 80 years old.”

Trump’s insistence that he actually won the 2020 election is part of the MAGA Republicans’ need to portray themselves as invulnerable. They must never be seen to lose. Indeed, on Tuesday, Trump once again went on at great length, claiming he won the 2020 election. He also doubled down on the idea that he will become a dictator, feeding the idea that he is invulnerable. But those who participated in his scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election are admitting that Biden won the election or are cooperating with prosecutors, and his own legal cases are speeding up.

Meanwhile, MAGA Republicans are holding up a crucial aid package for Ukraine, insisting that immigration reform is such a grave national security issue it must take precedence over Ukraine aid. In their focus on immigration, they are following Trump’s lead: he is telling crowds that countries are dumping people from their “insane asylums” in the U.S., explicitly referring to the serial killer portrayed in the film The Silence of the Lambs.

And yet, despite that alleged national crisis, the House recessed today for three weeks without addressing it. Several Republicans indicated to Politico’s Playbook that they are not actually interested in a deal, since “polling consistently shows that immigration is the most toxic issue on the campaign trail for Biden. Why take that off the table as an attack on him in 2024?”


Meanwhile, Ukraine is running out of ammunition.

The White House is urging Congress to stay in session to deal with the supplemental funding bill and immigration reform, saying Republicans are “actively undermining our national security interests” to “go on vacation.” Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) has kept the Senate in session, saying it will stay and vote on a package next week. For his part, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) tweeted that “we must secure our own border before we secure another country’s,“ and that while work should continue on the package, “the House will not wait around to receive and debate a rushed product.”

The House’s holiday recess meant that former House speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) left Congress today, rather than waiting for the end of his term. MAGA Republicans led by Matt Gaetz (R-FL) made history in October by engineering his ouster from the speaker’s chair and grinding the work of the House to a halt. On his way out, McCarthy suggested that Gaetz has reason to be concerned about an investigation by the House Ethics Committee into his alleged sexual misconduct and misuse of funds.

In the 1890s, once the dominant narrative cracked, an entire industry rose as journalists investigated those whose access to power had for decades protected them from scrutiny.
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Well, this is definitely a quandary......
House Republicans are scrambling to fix a potential nightmare that's unfolding in a must-win race in northwestern Ohio.

The GOP is eager to block J.R. Majewski from winning its nomination to challenge veteran Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur. Majewski lost his previous bid for Congress last year, after a news report on his military records indicated he lied about combat duty in Afghanistan.

Republicans turned to former state legislator Craig Riedel to beat Majewski in this cycle's primary. But last week, an audio tape surfaced of Riedel calling Donald Trump "arrogant" and vowing not to endorse the former president. Now the primary looks poised to become a referendum on which is worse in today's GOP: criticizing Trump or allegedly lying about one’s military valor.
The race to the bottom is very competitive!
Top party strategists are urging Trump's team and allies not to rush to endorse Majewski, citing his liabilities. Republican campaign officials are also deploying screenshots of a nearly two-year-old private message that appears to show Majewski calling Trump "an idiot." Those pictures of the alleged Majewski message were shown to the former president, according to a fourth person familiar with the interaction.

Majewski's attempted comeback bid didn’t initially worry national Republicans, in part because Riedel is the only well-funded contender in the primary, with over $500,000 banked by the end of September. Until last week, when Charlie Kirk — leader of the pro-Trump group Turning Point USA — leaked audio of Riedel telling a potential donor that he isn't seeking Trump’s endorsement and won't support the former president in 2024.

“I think he is arrogant. I don’t like the way he calls people names. I just don’t think that’s very becoming of a president,” Riedel said of Trump in the recording, the date of which is unclear.

In an effort to repair his prospects in the primary, Riedel quickly endorsed Trump after the audio leaked. Riedel also released a cable ad Friday highlighting Majewski's alleged criticism of Trump that will air in a Florida media market more than 1,000 miles away: the former president's home base of West Palm Beach.

Conservative favorite Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), asked if he planned to withdraw his endorsement of Riedel, said that “I'm talking with our political guys. I haven't spoken with Craig.” Asked if Riedel had made a big mistake, Jordan replied: "We told him to endorse President Trump months ago.”
Jordan, never shy about polishing trumplethinskin's knob in the media, made sure the Lord God knew where his loyalties were.

Maybe George Santos could toss his hat in the ring.
I saw the worst minds of my generation empowered by madness, bloated farcical naked,
dragging themselves through the whitewashed streets at dawn looking for a grievance fix.
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japhy wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:48 pm Well, this is definitely a quandary......
House Republicans are scrambling to fix a potential nightmare that's unfolding in a must-win race in northwestern Ohio.

The GOP is eager to block J.R. Majewski from winning its nomination to challenge veteran Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur. Majewski lost his previous bid for Congress last year, after a news report on his military records indicated he lied about combat duty in Afghanistan.

Republicans turned to former state legislator Craig Riedel to beat Majewski in this cycle's primary. But last week, an audio tape surfaced of Riedel calling Donald Trump "arrogant" and vowing not to endorse the former president. Now the primary looks poised to become a referendum on which is worse in today's GOP: criticizing Trump or allegedly lying about one’s military valor.
The race to the bottom is very competitive!
Top party strategists are urging Trump's team and allies not to rush to endorse Majewski, citing his liabilities. Republican campaign officials are also deploying screenshots of a nearly two-year-old private message that appears to show Majewski calling Trump "an idiot." Those pictures of the alleged Majewski message were shown to the former president, according to a fourth person familiar with the interaction.

Majewski's attempted comeback bid didn’t initially worry national Republicans, in part because Riedel is the only well-funded contender in the primary, with over $500,000 banked by the end of September. Until last week, when Charlie Kirk — leader of the pro-Trump group Turning Point USA — leaked audio of Riedel telling a potential donor that he isn't seeking Trump’s endorsement and won't support the former president in 2024.

“I think he is arrogant. I don’t like the way he calls people names. I just don’t think that’s very becoming of a president,” Riedel said of Trump in the recording, the date of which is unclear.

In an effort to repair his prospects in the primary, Riedel quickly endorsed Trump after the audio leaked. Riedel also released a cable ad Friday highlighting Majewski's alleged criticism of Trump that will air in a Florida media market more than 1,000 miles away: the former president's home base of West Palm Beach.

Conservative favorite Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), asked if he planned to withdraw his endorsement of Riedel, said that “I'm talking with our political guys. I haven't spoken with Craig.” Asked if Riedel had made a big mistake, Jordan replied: "We told him to endorse President Trump months ago.”
Jordan, never shy about polishing trumplethinskin's knob in the media, made sure the Lord God knew where his loyalties were.

Maybe George Santos could toss his hat in the ring.
Where'd the top excerpt come from? Because it is just delightfully naive at this point to think you could put ANYTHING in the blank here, and have it be the worse thing.
Now the primary looks poised to become a referendum on which is worse in today's GOP: criticizing Trump or _____________.
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Again, noting that sources are linked at the post, and bold/underline is mine.

December 17, 2023

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-17-2023
It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.


Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.


The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”
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We are supposed to stand by while they actually put people in death camps. Evil pushes until it is stopped. Clear and present danger.
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The Republican Frontrunner Is Copping Lines From Adolf F*cking Hitler

What do his opponents have to say about that? Absolutely nothing.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... on-hitler/
Where are the rest of them? Are there enough beds in Iowa and New Hampshire under which they can hide? Ron? Nikki? Chris Christie is at least trying to confront the peril, but that's balanced out by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wants to be the legal ward and heir to the peril itself. But some of these people are running campaigns against a guy who came up this weekend, looked out at Durham, North Carolina, and saw Nuremberg in his mind, and not in the sense of the postwar tribunals. Here are some now-notorious samples:
“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done. They poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America … but all over the world. They’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world.”
That was the former president in New Hampshire on Saturday.
'All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning,'
That was Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, in 1929.

Nikki? Ron? Your primary — in every sense of the word — opponent is copping lines from fcking Hitler. He's also boasting about his stature with people like Viktor Orban, Kim Jong Un, and Vladimir Putin. But he's also copping lines from fcking Adolf Fcking Hitler. Shouldn't that be an obvious line of attack in a presidential campaign? I mean, this isn't the North Minehead By-Election here. Here's Haley when the former president* first went full Der Sturmer back a month ago. From The New York Times:
“I don’t agree with that statement,” Ms. Haley said at a town-hall event in Newton, Iowa. “Any more than I agree when he said Hezbollah was smart, or any more than I agree when he hit Netanyahu when his country was on its knees after all that brutality.”
And it took her six days to come up with that double-scoop of banality. Meanwhile, DeSantis managed to run and hide faster than Haley did, telling Kristen Welker on Meet The Press, that he "doesn't use the same rhetoric" as the former president* does, and then he attempted to pivot to an attack on the "weaponized" Department of Justice. Welker kept coming back to the invocation of old Nazi talking points.
DeSantis: So, I don't use the same rhetoric that he does. I conduct myself in a different way. I think I conduct myself in a way that's more effective as a leader. Part of what you have to do is you have to be strong, you have to deliver big results. But what you don't want to do is you don't want to alienate people for no reason. And I think some of the reasons why he struggled electorally is because it's not even about the policy. It's about some of these other things...

Welker: Do you condemn the use of the word “vermin," then?

DeSantis: I don't use the term. But what I don't do is play the media's game, where I'm asked to referee other people. He's responsible for his words. He's responsible for his conduct. I'm responsible for mine. But I will tell you, more important than the choice of words is: Why are you running? If he's running for personal retribution, that is not going to lead to what we need as a country. You've got to be running for the American people and their issues, not about your own personal issues. And that is a distinction between us. I am focused on the folks. I am focused on what they want to see done for this country in a positive direction. I'm the vessel, but ultimately, it's not about me.
Is it that hard to make an issue out of the fact that your most immediate opponent is not merely flirting with Nazism, but also looking deeply into its eyes and stroking its hair and arranging weekends for two at Berchtesgarden? In 2023? In America? The problem, of course, is that, for the audience in New Hampshire, these were all applause lines. This is Fuhrerprinzip come to the duckboot belt. To attack the former president* for copping Hitler's applause lines must needs include attacking the people applauding for applauding. That doesn't leave you with many Republican primary voters.
“Yeah, no, I am worried about an outcome...He is right to what — he had the border secured the lowest in 40 years in December of 2022...The Biden administration, you’re talking about Donald Trump’s language, as you sat on the sidelines and allowed the country to be invaded, 172 people on the terrorist list have come on your watch, fentanyl is killing more Americans...You know, we’re talking about language? I could care less what language people use as long as we get it right.”
That was Senator Lindsey Graham, on MTP this past Sunday. Graham is a leader of the Republicans in the Senate, and a man with a corkscrew for a conscience. If the Reichstag burns tomorrow, he'll bring the marshmallows.
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Again, noting that sources are linked at the post, and bold/underline is mine.

December 18, 2023

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-18-2023
Reporters at ProPublica have uncovered yet more news about the right-wing network of wealthy donors who have supported Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas. According to Justin Elliott, Joshua Kaplan, Alex Mierjeski, and Brett Murphy, in January 2000, on a plane flight home from a conservative conference, Thomas complained to Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL) about his salary. He warned that if lawmakers didn’t give Supreme Court justices a pay raise, “one or more justices will leave soon.”

After the trip, Stearns wrote to Thomas that he agreed “it is worth a lot to Americans to have the constitution properly interpreted.” Stearns immediately set out to pass legislation separating the salaries of Supreme Court justices from the rest of the judiciary, and then raising pay for the Supreme Court justices alone. But the top administrative official of the judiciary, L. Ralph Mecham, in June 2000 wrote to then–chief justice William Rehnquist to suggest that this was the wrong approach for this “delicate matter.”

“From a tactical point of view,” Mecham wrote, “it will not take the Democrats and liberals in Congress very long to figure out that the prime beneficiaries who might otherwise leave the court presumably are Justices Thomas and Scalia. The Democrats might be perfectly happy to have them leave and would see little incentive to act on separate legislation devoted solely to Supreme Court justices if the apparent purpose is to keep Justices Scalia and Thomas on the Court. Moreover, the fact that Representative Stearns is a conservative Republican may not help dissuade the Democrats and liberals from this view.”

Mecham distinguished between Republicans he thought of as “liberals,” and those, presumably like himself, Rehnquist, Thomas, and Scalia, who were pushing “to have the constitution properly interpreted.” By this, he meant those who wanted the concept of “originalism” to undermine the federal government’s regulation of business, provision of a basic social safety net, promotion of infrastructure, and protection of civil rights, principles on which “liberal” Republicans and Democrats agreed.

Although the extremist faction has now captured the Republican Party, as late as 2000 there were enough “liberals” in the Republican Party that members of the extremist faction worried they could not enact their chosen program. So they must have the Supreme Court. Stearns told the ProPublica reporters that Thomas’s “importance as a conservative [as they called themselves] was paramount…. We wanted to make sure he felt comfortable in his job and was being paid properly.”

About this time, wealthy Republican donors began to provide Thomas and his wife Ginni with expensive vacations and gifts. Ginni went to work for the Heritage Foundation, making a salary in the low six figures. Yale law school professor George Priest, who has joined Thomas and billionaire donor Harlan Crow on vacation, says that Crow “views Thomas as a Supreme Court justice as having a limited salary. So he provides benefits for him.”

That is, a Republican billionaire donor “provides benefits” for a Supreme Court justice who voted in favor of—among other things—the 2010 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision that reversed campaign finance restrictions in place for over 100 years, permitting corporations and outside groups to spend unlimited funds on elections, and the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision that gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act protecting minority voting rights in the United States.

The determination of wealthy Republicans to control our political system for their own economic benefit is now matched on the other side of the political equation by religious voters hellbent on overthrowing democracy to impose their religious will on the American majority.


After voters in Republican-dominated states have tried to protect the right to abortion in the wake of the Supreme Court’s 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision overturning the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that recognized the constitutional right to abortion, antiabortion forces are trying to stop voters from having the right to decide the matter. They are trying to prevent voters from signing petitions to put such measures on ballots.

Steven Aden, the chief legal officer of the antiabortion group Americans United for Life, told Alice Miranda Ollstein and Megan Messerly of Politico: “Because we believe that abortion is truly about the right to life of human individuals in the womb, we don’t believe those rights should be subjected to majority vote.”

Breaking faith in democracy has led us to a place where the leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination is openly praising dictators, trying to join the United States into a rising global authoritarian movement based in the idea that democracy, with its focus on equal rights, is destroying traditional society by getting rid of patriarchy, racial hierarchies, and heteronormative society. A Fox News poll released over the weekend showed that 3 in 10 Republicans agreed that “things in the U.S. are so far off track that we need a president willing to break some rules and laws to set things right.”

Today, Pope Francis undermined that argument when he said in a landmark ruling that Roman Catholic priests can bless same-sex couples. While this is not the same as the sacrament of heterosexual marriage, the Vatican’s doctrinal office said this is a sign that God welcomes everyone.

Pope Francis has tended to ignore the rise of right-wing extremism in the U.S. church but now appears to be defending his message that the church should be tolerant and welcoming in the face of the growing intersection of religion and authoritarianism.
Last month, he relieved from duty Bishop Joseph H. Strickland of Tyler, Texas, who has vocally supported right-wing politics and openly revolted against the Pope’s positions.

There is a strong economic reason to reinforce the idea of democracy, as well. After forty years in which a minority worked to push tax cuts and deregulation with the argument that they would promote investment in the economy, the Biden administration quite deliberately has used the government not to prop up the “supply side,” but rather to bolster the “demand side.” Despite the history that showed such a system worked, economists and pundits warned that Biden’s policies would dump the U.S. into a terrible recession.

The 2023 numbers are in, and they show exactly what the U.S. Treasury under Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen predicted: inflation has dropped significantly, unemployment is at a low 3.7%, the economy grew at an astonishing 4.9% in the last quarter, and the stock and financial markets are at or near all-time highs.

The economic news is tangible proof that a government that serves the majority, rather than a wealthy few, works.
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Then they came for Mich.
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When people tell you who they are...
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and “half” of this country has zero problem with that kind of rhetoric…hence my disdain (aka mean girlness) for our resident trump apologists

smfh

edit: and, those who don’t call him out (the nikki haley’s and mich’s) are complicit
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KUTradition wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:01 am and “half” of this country has zero problem with that kind of rhetoric…hence my disdain (aka mean girl was) for our resident trump apologists

smfh
It is amazing to me that whatever Trump is selling is worth the cost of doing business. And that's BEFORE you discount whatever Trump is selling by the unlikelihood that he'll ever deliver it!
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jfish26 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:03 am
KUTradition wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:01 am and “half” of this country has zero problem with that kind of rhetoric…hence my disdain (aka mean girl was) for our resident trump apologists

smfh
It is amazing to me that whatever Trump is selling is worth the cost of doing business. And that's BEFORE you discount whatever Trump is selling by the unlikelihood that he'll ever deliver it!
Yeah, the pill I have to swallow to support Biden is that he is old and tends to reach across the aisle and compromise with Republicans and in doing that, gives them more than I would prefer he give up. That seems to be an easier pill to swallow than "if I want gun ownership protected then I have to support Nazi rhetoric, the objectification of women as nothing more than child bearers and the vilification of tens of millions of immigrants".
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jfish26 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:03 am
KUTradition wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:01 am and “half” of this country has zero problem with that kind of rhetoric…hence my disdain (aka mean girl was) for our resident trump apologists

smfh
It is amazing to me that whatever Trump is selling is worth the cost of doing business. And that's BEFORE you discount whatever Trump is selling by the unlikelihood that he'll ever deliver it!
I have been told he is a "decent guy".
I saw the worst minds of my generation empowered by madness, bloated farcical naked,
dragging themselves through the whitewashed streets at dawn looking for a grievance fix.
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japhy wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:27 am
jfish26 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:03 am
KUTradition wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:01 am and “half” of this country has zero problem with that kind of rhetoric…hence my disdain (aka mean girl was) for our resident trump apologists

smfh
It is amazing to me that whatever Trump is selling is worth the cost of doing business. And that's BEFORE you discount whatever Trump is selling by the unlikelihood that he'll ever deliver it!
I have been told he is a "decent guy".
Assholes usually think other assholes are "decent guys".
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This is a lovely little story.
"Apparently she wants publicity about how unethical a lawyer she is," one attorney said
https://www.salon.com/2023/12/18/lawyer ... frivolous/
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