KUBB value of a season

[pdub]

Not including personal awards like NPOY here - just coming up with 10 factors for the team for a single season.

You get 100 points to spread between the 10 to give value/importance to.
( or just rank em 1-10 in importance )

NCAA Title
NCAA Final Four
NCAA Elite Eight
NCAA 2nd Weekend
No. 1 overall Seed
Big 12 Regular Season Title
Big 12 Tournament Title
Sweep of the best B12 team
Non Con win over a Blue Blood ( Kentucky, Duke, UNC )
Beating ksu at home


Me:

NCAA Title 31
NCAA Final Four 20
Big 12 Regular Season Title 17

NCAA Elite Eight 9
NCAA 2nd Weekend 8
No. 1 overall Seed 7

Big 12 Tournament Title 3
Sweep of the best B12 team 2
Non Con win over a Blue Blood ( Kentucky, Duke, UNC ) 2
Beating ksu at home 1

[Deleted User 863]

NCAA Title = 50pts
Final Four = 20pts
Big 12 reg season title = 10pts
Big 12 tournament title = 6pts
#1 overall seed = 6pts
Elite 8 = 4pts
Non con win over blueblood = 2pts
Beat KSU at home = 1pts
2nd weekend = 1pts
Sweep of best big 12 team = 0pts

[NewtonHawk11]

NCAA Title - 45
Final Four - 30
Big 12 Reg Title - 7
Big 12 Conf Title - 3
No. 1 Overall Seed - 10
Elite 8 - 5
Non-con win over blue blood - 0

[pdub]

I think there's a bit of undervalue ( well I think there's a ton of undervalue already but beyond the obvious discussion ) in NCAA 2nd Weekend b/c this at least implies you make the tournament and aren't upset in the first round.

[twocoach]

I dont feel like doing math so just putting them in order of importance to me.

NCAA Title
NCAA Final Four
NCAA Elite Eight
NCAA 2nd Weekend
Big 12 Regular Season Title
No. 1 overall Seed
Sweep of the best B12 team
Non Con win over a Blue Blood ( Kentucky, Duke, UNC )
Big 12 Tournament Title
Beating ksu at home

[Deleted User 863]

Beating a 15/16 seed + a 7/8/9/10 seed is more important than winning a conference title? 2 wins where we are heavily favored are more important than 2-3 months worth of games?

[KUTradition]

i’m with twocoach on the math…

ncaa title
FF
B12 reg. season
E8
ncaa 2nd weekend
B12 tourney title
blue blood victory
sweep of best B12 team not named Kansas
no. 1 seed
beating statie

[twocoach]

Beating a 15/16 seed + a 7/8/9/10 seed is more important than winning a conference title? 2 wins where we are heavily favored are more important than 2-3 months worth of games?

Honestly, I put about 15 seconds worth of effort into it and it was probably 12 seconds more than I felt like giving. It's a completely irrelevant list and I just don't care. It's just an effort to avoid work and kill time for most of us today. My guess is that we all have pretty much identical lists if we actually put some thought to it.

[pdub]

"It's a completely irrelevant list and I just don't care."

But do you think Wordle is challenging?

[Deleted User 863]

Beating a 15/16 seed + a 7/8/9/10 seed is more important than winning a conference title? 2 wins where we are heavily favored are more important than 2-3 months worth of games?

Honestly, I put about 15 seconds worth of effort into it and it was probably 12 seconds more than I felt like giving. It's a completely irrelevant list and I just don't care. It's just an effort to avoid work and kill time for most of us today. My guess is that we all have pretty much identical lists if we actually put some thought to it.

Fair enough.

I initially had 2nd weekend higher and then when I actually thought about it I decided 2nd weekend is about bare minimum for a team that is always a 1-4 seed.

[pdub]

Winning 6 games is almost 7 times more important than winning the most of of 18 games in one of the toughest conferences in the NCAA?

It's of course an opinion.
But just doesn't compute for me.

[NDballer13]

#1 overall seed - Majority of the points and not even close. Titles and Final Fours are nice and all, but being the best team over the course of a 5 month season is a better indicator of a team's success over a single elimination tourney.

I'll stop just short of saying Big 12 regular season is better than a national title, but I have that 2/3 closer than I would 1/2.

[Deleted User 863]

Winning 6 games is almost 7 times more important than winning the most of of 18 games in one of the toughest conferences in the NCAA?

It's of course an opinion.
But just doesn't compute for me.

To me, yes.

NCAA title is a HUGE deal. Worthy of 50pts imo.

[pdub]

#1 overall seed - Majority of the points and not even close. Titles and Final Fours are nice and all, but being the best team over the course of a 5 month season is a better indicator of a team's success over a single elimination tourney.

I'll stop just short of saying Big 12 regular season is better than a national title, but I have that 2/3 closer than I would 1/2.

I'm with you for the most part.
I had to split up winning the Big 12 with the number 1 overall seed.
In my mind, you likely are a 2 seed at worst if you are good enough to win the Big 12 - so you're likely one of the top 5 teams. And you're winning the most out of 18 games - in a tough conference - which is a long stretch of being good.

As far as a better indicator, i'm with you all the way.
But we don't live in a fair way of determining the overall champion so that peak win at the end of six games is still is pretty damn nice.

[jhawks99]

For me, the Big 12 season is the thing. After that it's gravy.

[KUTradition]

#1 overall gets you jack shit

i understand it’s an indicator of sustained success over the course of the season, but it’s meaningless (and actually ends up as a choke talking point) if you get bounced early

give me a B12 reg season over #1 overall, particularly so long as the B12 remains one of the top two conferences in the country

[twocoach]

"It's a completely irrelevant list and I just don't care."

But do you think Wordle is challenging?

Sorry, I am just in a general funk today. Feels mostly like I would like to tell my family to fuck off and go lay down in the basement in the dark and listen to music so I apologize for any grumpiness.

[pdub]

So you're the one lying down in the basement in the dark and listening to music and not forcing your family, after telling them to fuck off, to do that.

The former is cool.
The latter seems a bit much.

[twocoach]

So you're the one lying down in the basement in the dark and listening to music and not forcing your family, after telling them to fuck off, to do that.

The former is cool.
The latter seems a bit much.

Just me, not them.

[jfish26]

Off the top of my head...

NCAA Title 51
NCAA Final Four 19
NCAA Elite Eight 5
NCAA 2nd Weekend 0
No. 1 overall Seed 0
Big 12 Regular Season Title 20
Big 12 Tournament Title 4
Sweep of the best B12 team 0
Non Con win over a Blue Blood ( Kentucky, Duke, UNC ) 1
Beating ksu at home 0