KUBB value of a season

[KUTradition]

what are the justifications for either of them?

i know Self said there are really know iron-clad criteria, other than “the greatest players that play here” deserve consideration

[Deleted User 863]

Bill cared. A lot.

but only while recruiting him, right?

That's the context of the quote, though. KU has to have several different messages depending on the audience.

It's hard to fathom, but the majority of the student body has no independent memory of Mario Chalmers and the 2008 team. Certainly no recruit does either. KUBB is in the business of recruiting future first team AA's and NBA All-Stars--they want to hear about Joel Embiid, not Nick Collison, not Sherron Collins, not Phog Allen.

They want to hear about playing time and money more than they care about Embiid spending 9months in Lawrence.

[Deleted User 863]

Our NBA guys are coming in when the team is out of town? Not doubting, cool deal if so.

Devonte had a picture on social media yesterday inside our practice facility

And then made it to New Orleans for an evening game?

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360705

Obviously it wasn't taken yesterday then, I didn't realize they played last night...all star weekend is usually when we see the NBA players pop up though.

[CrimsonNBlue]

but only while recruiting him, right?

That's the context of the quote, though. KU has to have several different messages depending on the audience.

It's hard to fathom, but the majority of the student body has no independent memory of Mario Chalmers and the 2008 team. Certainly no recruit does either. KUBB is in the business of recruiting future first team AA's and NBA All-Stars--they want to hear about Joel Embiid, not Nick Collison, not Sherron Collins, not Phog Allen.

They want to hear about playing time and money more than they care about Embiid spending 9months in Lawrence.

Embiid is part of the money pitch. He just signed a $200 million contract.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Devonte had a picture on social media yesterday inside our practice facility

And then made it to New Orleans for an evening game?

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360705

Obviously it wasn't taken yesterday then, I didn't realize they played last night...all star weekend is usually when we see the NBA players pop up though.

Right, just kinda sucks that our game is out of town this weekend.

[pdub]

what are the justifications for either of them?

i know Self said there are really know iron-clad criteria, other than “the greatest players that play here” deserve consideration

Wiggs was a 2nd team AA.
I dunno. That's not enough for me.

[CrimsonNBlue]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

[KUTradition]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

and Mason/Graham

[pdub]

And Udoka.

[CrimsonNBlue]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

and Mason/Graham

For sure. Those lotto spots just mean so much, though.

[Sparko]

His work with Embiid was his best work though. Joel went from green raw talent to dream shaker in a year.

[KUTradition]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

and Mason/Graham

For sure. Those lotto spots just mean so much, though.

more than NPOY?

edit: obviously they aren’t mutually exclusive…and, i’d imagine BIFM woulda gone lotto if not for his size

[CrimsonNBlue]

and Mason/Graham

For sure. Those lotto spots just mean so much, though.

more than NPOY?

edit: obviously they aren’t mutually exclusive…and, i’d imagine BIFM woulda gone lotto if not for his size

Oh I don't know--I was just talking in terms of being a parent of a player that wants to make a living playing basketball. Och probably the most impressive--unranked recruit to lotto. Outrageous.

[pdub]

I think I would ascend happily from this planet if Ochai Agbaji hit the game winner for a National Championship.

[jfish26]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

[Deleted User 863]

This reminds me of a thread I saw on either Facebook or Twitter a few weeks back about if you would want Bronny James to pick your school. The overwhelming majority was a no, with an even higher majority of the reasoning being not liking his dad.

A good amount of your fanbase might not like LeBron hanging around campus or in the facilities, but guess who would? That 16, 17, 18 yr old kid you're trying to convince to come to your school.

It seems to me that so much of LeBron's decisions/moves over the past few years have been made with profit and his brand as the major influences in those decisions/moves.

When you're an athlete the caliber of LeBron of course profit and brand influence decisions. Why is that a negative against him?

[Deleted User 863]

That's the context of the quote, though. KU has to have several different messages depending on the audience.

It's hard to fathom, but the majority of the student body has no independent memory of Mario Chalmers and the 2008 team. Certainly no recruit does either. KUBB is in the business of recruiting future first team AA's and NBA All-Stars--they want to hear about Joel Embiid, not Nick Collison, not Sherron Collins, not Phog Allen.

They want to hear about playing time and money more than they care about Embiid spending 9months in Lawrence.

Embiid is part of the money pitch. He just signed a $200 million contract.

With Kansas?

[Deleted User 863]

If I were a parent to an 18 year old NBA prospect, though (who is not a surefire OAD), I would want my kid playing for Self because of his work with Och and Marcus Morris. That's more persuasive than his time with EMVPiid.

Agreed....but you think kids in 5yrs will know who Frank Mason was if they didn't know who Sherron Collins was?

[Deleted User 863]

His work with Embiid was his best work though. Joel went from green raw talent to dream shaker in a year.

I think Joel deserves as much credit as Self. He did the vast majority of his development AFTER he left KU.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I know jersey retirement would cause a shitstorm of a discussion here. But, there should be a discussion of some kind of recognition. MVP and HOF--I think only Wilt can make that claim.

Give him some real estate in the museum, a display case.
He didn't win MVP at Kansas. He actually didn't do that much at Kansas.

Jeez, you're a tough critic! The guy was a First team All-American (twice) and most outstanding player in the NCAA tournament.