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[hoopla]

I am going to say this now so you understand why you do get 'banned' when you do:

Don't post a GREAT SEASON I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS thread when we are loosing by 15 in the National Championship game.

i went back 3 pages to try to figure out who you were talking to here. meta message board be warned.

[pdub]

Sure - there's a lot of luck involved - I just think KU generally has been on the bad end of that luck with some better teams - and then it turned around for them last season.

I personally think KU 2020 woulda run that shit like Nova did in 18.

[Deleted User 863]

damn when did Illy become our greatest cheerleader? well done, sir

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

[jfish26]

damn when did Illy become our greatest cheerleader? well done, sir

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

Add KJ doing all of the ridiculous KJ things he does, and Udeh coming on.

I don't feel great about how we played last night, not by any stretch.

But I feel great about where we are, generally.

[MICHHAWK]

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

since you put it that way. i reckon we can just go get it. repeat.

[NewtonHawk11]

damn when did Illy become our greatest cheerleader? well done, sir

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

Add KJ doing all of the ridiculous KJ things he does, and Udeh coming on.

I don't feel great about how we played last night, not by any stretch.

But I feel great about where we are, generally.

Offensively, it was gross.
Defensively, it was a as close to a beauty as it could be. Even though Aimaq was an all-conference player last night.

[Deleted User 863]

damn when did Illy become our greatest cheerleader? well done, sir

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

Add KJ doing all of the ridiculous KJ things he does, and Udeh coming on.

I don't feel great about how we played last night, not by any stretch.

But I feel great about where we are, generally.

It's just rarely going to be pretty (offensively) with this team. Which is ok. It's not a beauty pageant. Just have to find a way to win 6 in a row.

Rarely are teams capable of playing 6 of their best games in a row in a single elimation tourney. Winning ugly occasionally is required.

Some nights good offense results in open shots that don't go it.

Defense and effort can show up every night though.

[surly]

I've written this before. KU wins because they believe it's their right, not because they are so much more talented. They have a great coach who puts them in a position to win. And they execute. The name on the front of the jersey carries them. They don't miss free throws at the end. They get the 50/50 balls. They make the game ending bunnies. Why? Because they believe they're better than the other guy and because Self has convinced them of that. Tradition matters.

[digitalkookie]

I personally think KU 2020 woulda run that shit like Nova did in 18.

KU would have won in 2020 going away, and it's not even close

[jfish26]

I am not trying to be a cheerleader or fanboy. I truly believe we are the team best suited to win it all this year.

Best coach. By far.
1st team AA star in JW.
One of the best outside shooters in college basketball in GD.
Experienced PG in DH.
Defensive specialist in KM.
Battle tested.

We have a lot of good things going for us.

Add KJ doing all of the ridiculous KJ things he does, and Udeh coming on.

I don't feel great about how we played last night, not by any stretch.

But I feel great about where we are, generally.

It's just rarely going to be pretty (offensively) with this team. Which is ok. It's not a beauty pageant. Just have to find a way to win 6 in a row.

Rarely are teams capable of playing 6 of their best games in a row in a single elimation tourney. Winning ugly occasionally is required.

Some nights good offense results in open shots that don't go it.

Defense and effort can show up every night though.

Thing is (looks around...whispers...) it'll look a lot more like a beauty pageant when Gradey's shooting luck evens out.

And it's coming - I've never seen a guy rattle out more threes. And as was pointed out to me, the explanation is that he's hitting the inside of the rim. He's on target.

[As an aside - one of the things I'll most fondly remember about Jalen, assuming it doesn't cost us this month - is that Jalen is good for one hilariously bad missed jumper per game.]

[jfish26]

I personally think KU 2020 woulda run that shit like Nova did in 18.

KU would have won in 2020 going away, and it's not even close

2009-10 and 2010-11 wave hello.

[Deleted User 863]

I personally think KU 2020 woulda run that shit like Nova did in 18.

KU would have won in 2020 going away, and it's not even close

2009-10 and 2010-11 wave hello.

So does Frank's senior season team.

[digitalkookie]

I personally think KU 2020 woulda run that shit like Nova did in 18.

KU would have won in 2020 going away, and it's not even close

2009-10 and 2010-11 wave hello.

Obviously it's all water under the bridge now, however, that 2020 team was the closest thing to a lock for the title as I had seen in a while

[KUTradition]

call the Helms Foundation

[KUTradition]

Add KJ doing all of the ridiculous KJ things he does, and Udeh coming on.

I don't feel great about how we played last night, not by any stretch.

But I feel great about where we are, generally.

It's just rarely going to be pretty (offensively) with this team. Which is ok. It's not a beauty pageant. Just have to find a way to win 6 in a row.

Rarely are teams capable of playing 6 of their best games in a row in a single elimation tourney. Winning ugly occasionally is required.

Some nights good offense results in open shots that don't go it.

Defense and effort can show up every night though.

Thing is (looks around...whispers...) it'll look a lot more like a beauty pageant when Gradey's shooting luck evens out.

And it's coming - I've never seen a guy rattle out more threes. And as was pointed out to me, the explanation is that he's hitting the inside of the rim. He's on target.

[As an aside - one of the things I'll most fondly remember about Jalen, assuming it doesn't cost us this month - is that Jalen is good for one hilariously bad missed jumper per game.]

yes…if the law of averages comes about, he’ll end up putting up a ridiculous line at some point

like, 8 of 11 or some shit

[ousdahl]

2010 was too reliant on letting a regressing Sherron play hero ball.

2011 literally gave big starter minutes to Face Ass, even after other teams increasingly realized they could exploit him

2017 had BIFM but was otherwise so shallow, and reliant on a stud freshman who was kind of mercurial

2020 really did feel like maybe the best prepped for a run…we had the strongest and most automatic big in the country, maybe the quickest guard in the country, and a defensive beast as an X factor. We weren’t scoring huge numbers, but we were defensively locking down, and could count on Dok and Dot to get theirs when needed.

Of course, hindsight is 2020, no pun intended.

[Sparko]

2010 was too reliant on letting a regressing Sherron play hero ball.

2011 literally gave big starter minutes to Face Ass, even after other teams increasingly realized they could exploit him

2017 had BIFM but was otherwise so shallow, and reliant on a stud freshman who was kind of mercurial

2020 really did feel like maybe the best prepped for a run…we had the strongest and most automatic big in the country, maybe the quickest guard in the country, and a defensive beast as an X factor. We weren’t scoring huge numbers, but we were defensively locking down, and could count on Dok and Dot to get theirs when needed.

Of course, hindsight is 2020, no pun intended.

That last line is gold, Ous.
But I'll count 2020 forever because the final poll was the final measure.

[jfish26]

2010 was too reliant on letting a regressing Sherron play hero ball.

2011 literally gave big starter minutes to Face Ass, even after other teams increasingly realized they could exploit him

2017 had BIFM but was otherwise so shallow, and reliant on a stud freshman who was kind of mercurial

2020 really did feel like maybe the best prepped for a run…we had the strongest and most automatic big in the country, maybe the quickest guard in the country, and a defensive beast as an X factor. We weren’t scoring huge numbers, but we were defensively locking down, and could count on Dok and Dot to get theirs when needed.

Of course, hindsight is 2020, no pun intended.

That last line is gold, Ous.
But I'll count 2020 forever because the final poll was the final measure.

Not my original idea, but what I'd do is have the four NCAA championship banners in their own row on the north end, and then have three banners (two Helms, one 2020) below them. And not identify that lower row as national championships. You don't need to call them anything. They can just be banners with years on them...people will know, or learn.

[Deleted User 863]

No thanks. Give them something somewhere else.

[pdub]

2010 was too reliant on letting a regressing Sherron play hero ball.

2011 literally gave big starter minutes to Face Ass, even after other teams increasingly realized they could exploit him

2017 had BIFM but was otherwise so shallow, and reliant on a stud freshman who was kind of mercurial

2020 really did feel like maybe the best prepped for a run…we had the strongest and most automatic big in the country, maybe the quickest guard in the country, and a defensive beast as an X factor. We weren’t scoring huge numbers, but we were defensively locking down, and could count on Dok and Dot to get theirs when needed.

Of course, hindsight is 2020, no pun intended.

2010 Collins was a 1st team AA and shot just a bit over 12 FG's a game -- which isn't a lot compared to other guys we've had as our stars/leaders.

They had an ultra efficient Cole Aldrich who was so very underrated ( top 15 Crimscore ).
Both Morris twins. Ty Ty. And Xavier.
Collins shot us out of the Northern Iowa game but that's just one game.

2011 Face Ass shot 41% from 3 which is better than Gradey Dick. He was a better defender than people gave him credit. He did kinda suck though. But when you have lotto picks Morris twins, and TRob coming off the bench, you can just bully teams into submission. That team was lockdown on defense.

2017 didn't 'rely' on Josh Jackson anymore than this team relies on Kevin McCullar.
And Josh was quite a bit better than McCullar.