AP/KenPom 22-23

[pdub]

2016 is top 5 for me too.
PhD has em tops bc of Selden.

[Shirley]

"I think the 2016 was maybe the best team to not win a title among the teams who didn't have the tourney canceled."
Of Bill's teams? Because '97 is the answer here. Or Wilt's non-winning year, but that was mostly Wilt.

^^^

[Deleted User 863]

There are so many good ones. Roy era probably has 3 of the best 6 teams of my lifetime and none of them won nattys.

[kubowler99]

I think the '86 team definitely gets a mention as one of the top teams at KU to not win it all. It was the '97 team before the '97 team, except it actually made the Final Four. Just sayin'

Manning
Marshall
Hunter
Piper
Turgeon
Dreiling
Thompson
Kellogg

[PhDhawk]

"Of Bill's teams?"

Yes.

[TDub]

I think the '86 team definitely gets a mention as one of the top teams at KU to not win it all. It was the '97 team before the '97 team, except it actually made the Final Four. Just sayin'

Manning
Marshall
Hunter
Piper
Turgeon
Dreiling
Thompson
Kellogg

dammit Archie

[hoopla]

"I think the 2016 was maybe the best team to not win a title among the teams who didn't have the tourney canceled."
Of Bill's teams? Because '97 is the answer here. Or Wilt's non-winning year, but that was mostly Wilt.

^^^

'86 i was 10 years old, not vested enough to remember. i graduated college in '97, so that was painful. it was the first time i remember thinking a single-elimination crapshoot of a tournament is a terrible way to crown a national champion. on the one hand, its the most entertaining 3 weeks of the year; on the other, "national champion" is just marketing as the construct is simply a terrible method of determining the actual best team (if that's what we're trying to do?), and the weight of winning this particular tournament seems way too heavy/big for what it actually accomplishes.

deja vu anyone? we've had this conversation numerous times before...

[pdub]

Kenpom

8 Texas
9 Kansas
14 Baylor
17 West Virginia
18 ksu

[zsn]

I think the '86 team definitely gets a mention as one of the top teams at KU to not win it all. It was the '97 team before the '97 team, except it actually made the Final Four. Just sayin'

Manning
Marshall
Hunter
Piper
Turgeon
Dreiling
Thompson
Kellogg

We beat the eventual National Champions twice and lost to the eventual runners up twice that year.

[pdub]

Still at 8 in Kenpom.
At 8 in NCAAs NET score.

Both Kenpom and NET love West Virginia at 17 and 19.

[Deleted User 863]

Still at 8 in Kenpom.
At 8 in NCAAs NET score.

Both Kenpom and NET love West Virginia at 17 and 19.

I don't get the WVU love.

[hoopla]

they must be cousins

[pdub]

They have one of the worst Kenpom luck scores in D1 and a top 5 sos.

They aren’t a top 25 team but I think they absolutely belong in the tourney.

[Deleted User 863]

Sorry, just not placing much emphasis on a "luck" score.

I think they belong in the tournament absolutely. But they aren't very good. They get a big boost by playing all the good big 12 teams twice.

[Deleted User 863]

They got pretty lucky yesterday with Self being in hospital and our players being distracted and KM injured. How does kenpom factor that in? That's "luck".

[pdub]

It's basically a a close game factor.
You could argue that a team that can close out close games is better - and i'd say you're more than right than wrong there - but I also don't believe luck isn't a factor in close games.

KU has a luck score of 13 -- which means they have been quite lucky in their close games so far.
I would say that applies -- both ISU and WVU had several decent chances to take us out at AFH.
And the stripes assisted us past OU.

On the other hand, our close win @ TCU was a good solid win and our recent Texas Tech win wasn't really in doubt - we just kinda just let em stay close.

[Deleted User 863]

Interesting.

So it basically indicates WVU lost a bunch of close games and KU won a bunch of close games.

[pdub]

I'm not certain what he uses to calculate it - he refers to this as a basis:

http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/BellCurve.html

But it's a deviation in expected record -- so your biggest deviations would come in close games rather than blow outs.

[pdub]

Drop to 9th in Kenpom.
Texas 7th.

[Deleted User 863]

So this morning kenpom has about all the teams left in the top 30.

I'd love to see the kenpom rankings today compared to the kenpom rankings on Wednesday before the games started.

Feels a little like when Joe Lunardi updates his brackets as the selection show is occuring and then points out he only missed 3 picks. But maybe the are very similar.