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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:15 am it you are going to be a scumbag dirtball. it's good to have your father the swampmonster sitting in the bigboy chair.
Hunter is being charged with tax crimes in respect of amounts he's already repaid. The previous big chair occupant's children have not been charged, or even publicly investigated, for significantly more egregious benefiting.
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is this what they call whataboutism.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:31 am is this what they call whataboutism.
Call it what you'd like. I think the bigger point here is well-discussed here.

The Hunter Biden indictment *is* the product of weaponized justice

But not in the way Republicans say it is.
Republicans and their right-wing angertainment ecosystem have been running wild with conspiracy theories since the Hunter Biden indictment dropped last week.

Special Counsel David Weiss walloped the president’s son with an additional nine charges (including three felonies) related to tax evasion in California. This follows the collapse of a plea deal in Delaware earlier this year, where Hunter would have been able to plead to misdemeanor tax charges and avoid a felony charge for his illegal possession of a gun.

Despite this, Republicans remain convinced the Department of Justice is in the tank for President Biden and somehow Weiss’s efforts to put Hunter in jail for a very long time is actually a coverup to protect the “Biden crime family.”

This indictment isn’t enough for Republicans because nothing is enough. To hear them tell it, if Hunter is indicted, it’s a coverup. And if Hunter isn’t indicted, it’s a coverup.

There’s no action the DOJ could take short of arresting President Biden and throwing him in prison while somehow simultaneously installing Trump in office again that would satisfy the right. Indeed, after howling their demands for a special counsel to look into Hunter, they got what they wanted when Weiss, a US attorney appointed by Trump who had already been investigating Hunter for five years, got the nod. Republicans then shifted to complaining that because a plea deal was initially reached, Weiss was “compromised” and helping to “whitewash the Biden family’s corruption.”

This is why GOP Rep. James Comer, chair of the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability — a committee that seems only to exist to investigate the Biden family — immediately released a statement after the new indictment claiming that this is actually the DOJ “trying to stonewall congressional oversight as we have presented evidence to the American people about the Biden family’s corruption.” Similarly, House Ways and Means Chair Jason Smith declared that “Americans deserve more answers” — as if the 56-page indictment doesn’t explain the younger Biden’s alleged missteps in excruciating detail. Smith also said that the charges show that Congress needs to move forward with impeaching President Biden, despite the fact the indictment does not reference Joe Biden at all.

What the indictment does show is the aggressiveness of the special counsel to find something, anything, to hang on Hunter Biden to placate the right. It shows Weiss going as hard as possible on tax charges, made all the more absurd because Hunter already paid the back taxes that form the basis for the indictment. Most of all, it shows the tawdriness of digging through the life of someone who was struggling with addiction and burning down his own world.

This is not a normal indictment

The basics of the charges: From 2016 to 2019, Hunter Biden failed to pay $1.4 million in taxes, filed false business deductions in 2018, and filed false tax returns in February 2020. That sounds explosive until one remembers the Trump family tax history.

At the beginning of this year, the Trump family real estate business had to pay $1.6 million in penalties after a conviction on felony tax fraud. In 2018, the New York Times detailed the myriad ways the Trump family dodged taxes. The Trump siblings set up a fake corporation to hide millions coming from their parents, and Trump helped his father take tax deductions he wasn’t entitled to, ultimately resulting in Trump’s father passing along over $400 million to the former president.

In a bit of foreshadowing, the Times also reported that Trump “helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.” In 2019, a ProPublica review of Trump's tax documents found that Trump would inflate the value of his properties to get money from lenders and deflate those values when it came time to pay taxes. Today, Trump is on trial in a civil case in New York for overvaluing his real estate holdings so he could defraud banks and investors.

It’s also worth remembering that the IRS routinely audited President Obama and then-Vice President Biden during their terms, but failed to do so during Trump’s first two years in office, even though the agency must annually audit tax returns for presidents and vice presidents. Much was made during the Trump era about how the IRS lacked the resources to go after the wealthy, instead auditing low-income workers at a far higher rate. Apparently, that resource problem got solved at least as far as Hunter Biden is concerned, as prosecutors have been investigating his tax issues since 2018.

Back to the indictment. In detailing where Hunter earned his money, of course it starts with the ultimate red meat offering for the right by discussing his work with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma. (You might recall that allegations about Hunter’s work for Burisma were at the heart of Trump’s first impeachment and were widely debunked in 2019.) It moves on to covering Hunter’s business dealings with China, which will also no doubt be delightful to a GOP deeply committed to blaming the CPP for any and all problems. Hunter also received money from a personal friend to rent what the indictment calls a “lavish house” and to cover his Porsche payments. Finally, the indictment dings Hunter for spending money on “drugs, escorts and girlfriends, luxury hotels and rental properties, exotic cars, clothing, and other items of a personal nature, in short, everything but his taxes.”

The president’s son is also on the hook for claiming business travel on his 2018 taxes when he was not conducting any business. However, rather than just detailing that Hunter didn’t undertake the business travel he claims he did, the indictment quotes at length from Hunter’s autobiography, where he described his life as a crack addict, surrounding himself with “strippers, con artists, and assorted hangers-on, who then invited their friends and associates and most recent hookups. They latched on to me and didn't let go, all with my approval. I never slept. There was no clock. Day bled into night and night into day.” The indictment goes on to quote Hunter talking about bouncing around expensive hotels in California at this time: “I stayed in one place until I tired of it, or it tired of me, and then moved on, my merry band of crooks, creeps, and outcasts soon to follow.”

This is not a man who is describing having a good time. This is a man explaining that his life was out of control, his spending was out of control, his drug use was out of control, and he was surrounding himself with people who were actively harmful for him. But the indictment uses Hunter’s raw honesty against him, sneering that “notably, the Defendant did not write that he conducted any business in any of these luxury hotels nor did he describe any of the individuals who visited him there as doing so for any business purpose.”

Much of the indictment is repetitive, but it has to be, as the criminal complaint has to detail Hunter’s earnings each year, his failure to pay taxes each year, his knowledge that he knew he was required to pay taxes, that his accountants informed him taxes were due, and that he had the funds to pay the taxes. Those elements are necessary to show he was evading taxes, not that he wasn’t aware of what he owed or didn’t have money.

The complaint also has to detail how Hunter tried to pass personal expenses off as business ones to impermissibly lower his taxable income, improperly claiming everything from payments to exotic dancers to putting girlfriends on payroll to covering his daughter’s law school tuition to payments for hotels at the height of his addiction. In another bizarre shot at Hunter for his addiction issues, the indictment notes those hotels “were the very same hotels that the Defendant identified, by name, in his memoir as the locations of his months-long drug and alcohol binge.”

It’s hard not to read this indictment as something designed to personally attack Hunter Biden for the choices he made. Contrast this with the complaint filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James in Trump’s civil fraud trial or Special Counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment of Trump in the January 6 case, both of which lack the weird shaming tone that pervades this indictment.

None of this is intended to say Hunter shouldn’t be in trouble for tax evasion or to insinuate that there’s some sort of conspiracy afoot and that he didn’t really skip out on his taxes. Rather, it’s that the aggressiveness with which Hunter is being pursued stands in stark contrast to Trump’s lifetime of tax malfeasance, for which he has suffered no consequences. (The $1.6 million tax evasion penalty from earlier this year was for the Trump Organization, not Trump himself.) It also stands in stark contrast to a DOJ that did not rush to address Trump’s role in a literal insurrection or in his other efforts to subvert the 2020 election.

Bottom line: Hunter’s sad tale has nothing to do with POTUS

The indictment does not mention President Biden nor provide any information that would lend credence to the notion that the president was involved in some sort of criminal enterprise with his son. Indeed, much of it focuses on Hunter’s business earnings in 2017, 2018, and 2019, when Joe Biden was a private citizen rather than vice president. But that doesn’t matter to Republicans, who are already using this as grist to bolster their impeachment inquiry, with Ways and Means Chair Smith telling the New York Times that Hunter’s indictment confirms “the need for Congress to move forward with an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden in order to uncover all the facts for the American people to judge.”

By any measure, Hunter Biden has had a difficult life despite being the son of a president. The car accident that killed his mother, Joe Biden’s first wife, also left two-year-old Hunter with a traumatic brain injury and a fractured skull. His older brother, Beau, died in 2015 at 46 from a brain tumor that may have been linked to his exposure to toxic burn pits while serving in Iraq. His struggles with addiction have, thanks to the fact he’s the president’s son, been well-publicized rather than simply a private battle. And finally, his status as Biden’s child has made him a target for a GOP that thrives on being vicious and conspiracy-driven.

As his defense attorney, Abbe Lowell, said after the new charges were issued, “if Hunter’s last name was anything other than Biden, the charges in Delaware, and now California, would not have been brought.” Reading this indictment, it’s tough to disagree.
If you don't want to read the whole thing, this part is the most essential.
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No. It is called "it's about timeism"
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the escapades of uncle and his dirtbag scumbag son are well documented. the folks are well aware.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:49 am the escapades of uncle and his dirtbag scumbag son are well documented. the folks are well aware.
This post illustrates exactly how vulnerable people are to bad-faith misinformation.
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no. that post illustrates just how the folks feel about uncle and his dirtbag scumbag son. if uncle is predicted to get trounced by the biggest @$$hole on the face of this earth. 11 months from now.
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but. don't let me interfere with a good algorithm.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:56 am no. that post illustrates just how the folks feel about uncle and his dirtbag scumbag son. if uncle is predicted to get trounced by the biggest @$$hole on the face of this earth. 11 months from now.
The "folks" feel what Fox tells them to feel.

Fox has misled you on what evidence there is, and what evidence there is not, concerning Hunter Biden and concerning Joe Biden.
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poor mich

trying so hard
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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“We are living through a revolt against the future. The future will prevail.”
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Not sure I've ever heard Hunter speak before. Didn't realize he is a graduate of Yale law school. Boss move, Hunter, my hat's off to you.

Hunter Biden lays waste to James Comer “When you said we can bring these people in for depositions or committee hearings, whichever they choose. Well, I've chosen. I am here to testify at a public hearing today to answer any of the committee's legitimate questions.”

"What are they afraid of? I'm here. I'm ready"
Hunter Biden tells reporters he is in DC to testify at a public hearing, as Republicans insist the president's son speak to them behind closed doors.


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Meanwhile, JACKETLESS MAN WHO DEFIES CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS IS TV-MAD ABOUT JACKETED MAN DEFYING A CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA.
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:46 am Meanwhile, JACKETLESS MAN WHO DEFIES CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS IS TV-MAD ABOUT JACKETED MAN DEFYING A CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA.
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Today In:
Shirley wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:08 pm Republicans don't have shit:
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An FBI informant has been indicted on two counts of allegedly feeding the bureau false information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, disliked Joe Biden and was arrested in Las Vegas after returning from a trip overseas, according to the Justice Department. The case grew out of the special counsel investigation being led by David Weiss, who is also leading the case against Hunter Biden. Weiss had been appointed by then-President Donald Trump as the top federal prosecutor in Delaware.

The 37-page indictment alleges that Smirnov had been a confidential human source for the FBI since 2010 and "provided false derogatory information to the FBI" about both Bidens after Joe Biden became a candidate for president in 2020.

Smirnov allegedly told the FBI — falsely — that officials with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that Hunter Biden worked for, had told him they hired Hunter Biden because he would "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems." Smirnov allegedly told the FBI — again, falsely — that Burisma officials had told him they paid Hunter Biden and Joe Biden $5 million and that it would take investigators 10 years to find the illicit payments to Joe Biden.

A source familiar with the matter told NBC News that Hunter Biden does not know the individual who was charged and does not believe he ever met him.

According to the indictment, Smirnov's claims to the FBI, which he first made in June 2020, "were fabrications," and, in truth, he only "had contact with executives from Burisma in 2017," when Joe Biden had left office as vice president and "had no ability" to influence U.S. policy...
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Looks like outright election interference to me.
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/politics ... index.html

Tell me more about how Russia's involvement in the Hunter Biden situation is all BS...

The former FBI informant charged with lying about the Bidens’ dealings in Ukraine told investigators after his arrest that Russian intelligence officials were involved in passing information to him about Hunter Biden, prosecutors said Tuesday in a new court filing, noting that the information was false.

Prosecutors also said Alexander Smirnov has been “actively peddling new lies that could impact US elections” after meeting with Russian spies late last year and that the fallout from his previous false bribery accusations about the Bidens “continue[s] to be felt to this day.”

We're all watching Russia actively control a portion of the US voting public. Such a frustrating, helpless, sickening feeling to be honest. It's like having one of your relatives dating a manipulative, abusive spouse but you can't convince them that they're being manipulated and abused.
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twocoach wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:19 am https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/politics ... index.html

Tell me more about how Russia's involvement in the Hunter Biden situation is all BS...

The former FBI informant charged with lying about the Bidens’ dealings in Ukraine told investigators after his arrest that Russian intelligence officials were involved in passing information to him about Hunter Biden, prosecutors said Tuesday in a new court filing, noting that the information was false.

Prosecutors also said Alexander Smirnov has been “actively peddling new lies that could impact US elections” after meeting with Russian spies late last year and that the fallout from his previous false bribery accusations about the Bidens “continue[s] to be felt to this day.”

We're all watching Russia actively control a portion of the US voting public. Such a frustrating, helpless, sickening feeling to be honest. It's like having one of your relatives dating a manipulative, abusive spouse but you can't convince them that they're being manipulated and abused.
I dropped a few things on this in the 2024 thread, and it could go a lot of other places, too.

I'm curious to see where exactly the mainstream media goes with this. There is a TON of Russia, Russia!, RUSSIA!!! fatigue...but this is something that is - in my opinion, and in context - as gravely serious as anything we've seen in this horrible period in our politics.

Russia got Trump elected (don't lose track of Manafort here, or of Russia's seizure of Crimea).

Trump tried to take advantage of an enemy of Russia (democratic Ukraine) for kompromat on Biden - Trump's likely 2020 opponent.

Trump obviously would not have stood in Putin's way in taking control of Ukraine.

Biden stood in Putin's way in taking control of Ukraine.

Russia seeds the Rs' bad-faith investigations into Biden with false information (which has baselessly damaged Biden electorally).

If you go back to my posts, I have ALWAYS said that I do not believe the MOST accurate description of what's happened here is that Trump colluded with Russia.

I think we are very clearly seeing the bones of a MUCH larger Russian operation against the United States - specifically, through compromising one of our two major parties.

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Russia fatigue is real, by design. But if you zoom out, and pretend the last ten years did not happen, I think you would be reasonable in saying that this Hunter/Smirnov/Comey/Grassley revelation itself would be among the biggest political scandals of any of our lifetimes.

And then when you add back in the rest of those ten years...I don't think it's unreasonable at all to say we have been, and remain, very much under attack.
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nobody is going to vote one way or the other because of hunter biden. hunter biden is meaningless to nov 24.

hunter biden is a meaningless twerp designed to deflect our attention.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:19 am nobody is going to vote one way or the other because of hunter biden. hunter biden is meaningless to nov 24.

hunter biden is a meaningless twerp designed to deflect our attention.
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