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randylahey wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:04 am Uconn being 5-0 in the title game is wild
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Sparko wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:06 am
randylahey wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:04 am Uconn being 5-0 in the title game is wild
They are like Cicadas that spring to life when there are no predators
Lol. That's amazing
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uconn is more champions classic worthy than msu.





uconn is like villanova. they are not a blueblood. but their recent history says they are an elite basketball program. uconn is above villanova.
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and yes. the only bluebloods in 2023 are KANSAS, unc, duke and kent.
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Their recent titles feel like good fortune. But they were dominant this year

And back in the day it felt like they had a really good team with Emeka okafor/ben gordon

And didn't the rip Hamilton squad upset a really dominant Duke team with Elton brand
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Probably right but it's tough to say UConn is above Nova when UConn is only 7 years removed from back to back to back loosing seasons.

Take a look at 17, 18 and 19.
16 they just got in as a 9 seed and then got blown out by Perry Ellis.
Not so good.

Can you imagine 3 loosing seasons in a row at Kansas, Kentucky, UNC or Duke?
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were gonna blame that on the aac.
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randylahey wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:15 am Their recent titles feel like good fortune. But they were dominant this year
i mean, dominant in the tourney, sure. they lost in the bigE semis, and 4th place in their conference, so not exactly a dominant team.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:13 am and kent.
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randylahey wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:01 am
Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:56 am
jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:49 am Do I think titles are dispositive? No; I don’t think UCONN is a better program than Kansas.

But the UCLA thing is different. They’re going to have a single title in a 50 year stretch. That’s not good enough to stay in the club.
So, KU was out of the blue blood club from 2002-2008.
Ever heard of Danny manning
Of course. Fish made statement its a stretch being a blue blood only having one title in fifty years. My comment simply a response to that. It’s just math based on what he said.

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For the record, I’d we weee voting, I wouldn’t put UConn in Blue Blood category. And of course KU is.
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Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:08 am
randylahey wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:01 am
Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:56 am

So, KU was out of the blue blood club from 2002-2008.
Ever heard of Danny manning
Of course. Fish made statement its a stretch being a blue blood only having one title in fifty years. My comment simply a response to that. It’s just math based on what he said.

Y’all are funny.
Ku won a title in 1988 tho
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In 2002 we were 50 years removed from 1952 so we only had the 1988 title.
However in 2002 and 2003 we went back to back Final Fours with a champ appearance.
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pdub wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:28 am In 2002 we were 50 years removed from 1952 so we only had the 1988 title.
However in 2002 and 2003 we went back to back Final Fours with a champ appearance.
Wrong banner for the argument made (not by me).

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I’d rather be a KU fan than any other. UNC would be ok, for the most part, too, although having lived out east for a while, ewww.
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Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:56 am
jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:49 am Do I think titles are dispositive? No; I don’t think UCONN is a better program than Kansas.

But the UCLA thing is different. They’re going to have a single title in a 50 year stretch. That’s not good enough to stay in the club.
So, KU was out of the blue blood club from 2002-2008.
I think our grasp on a spot was tenuous for a while. Easy to forget now, but Bill being Bill was like a 99.994th percentile outcome. We very very very very easily could have gone down the UCLA/Indiana road.
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jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:41 am
Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:56 am
jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:49 am Do I think titles are dispositive? No; I don’t think UCONN is a better program than Kansas.

But the UCLA thing is different. They’re going to have a single title in a 50 year stretch. That’s not good enough to stay in the club.
So, KU was out of the blue blood club from 2002-2008.
I think our grasp on a spot was tenuous for a while. Easy to forget now, but Bill being Bill was like a 99.994th percentile outcome. We very very very very easily could have gone down the UCLA/Indiana road.
And still very well could once Bill decides to be done. Much like UNC is trending downward at the moment, Duke is unsure of future status and success as well.
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NewtonHawk11 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:43 am
jfish26 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:41 am
Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:56 am

So, KU was out of the blue blood club from 2002-2008.
I think our grasp on a spot was tenuous for a while. Easy to forget now, but Bill being Bill was like a 99.994th percentile outcome. We very very very very easily could have gone down the UCLA/Indiana road.
And still very well could once Bill decides to be done. Much like UNC is trending downward at the moment, Duke is unsure of future status and success as well.
Absolutely. But Bill gave us a lot of breathing room (really, our Indiana period was pre-Brown).
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I’m in the group that thinks it will be easier in a couple years for the ‘established’ schools (lol, schools). With The portal and such. Right now we are still washing out 23rd year seniors and such. When those go away, talent going to be stacked more again, IMO.
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Back2Lawrence wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:46 am I’m in the group that thinks it will be easier in a couple years for the ‘established’ schools (lol, schools). With The portal and such. Right now we are still washing out 23rd year seniors and such. When those go away, talent going to be stacked more again, IMO.
It'll take a while to see how everything shakes out.

I think you could make a solid argument that NIL will be democratizing for talent, especially in basketball (where 2-3 guys on a roster can make an enormous difference).

I think you could also make a solid argument that NIL (plus the free transfer) will devastate smaller programs, because as soon as KU (for example) sees that a kid was overlooked and can play at this level, KU can run out and poach.
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But if we're being revisionist, we could also point out if Matt Doherty had won 2 of his veryclose games that he lost at UNC in his final season, he gets into the NCAA tourney, saves his job and returns that stacked crew he recruited of May, McCants and Felton, which is good enough to keep him around longer.

Roi returns Simien, Langford, Miles and brings in Giddens, Padgett and Rodrick Stewart - his kinda dudes - is the 2 seed in St Louis, spits in the river, drinks some cokes - and gets over the hump at Kansas.
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