Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 am

Someone needs to come out and say, “It is a virtual certainty at this point that Trump will be under multiple indictments at the critical phases of the 2024 general election. And you know what, while the justice system should run its course fairly and free from political influence, it seems more likely than not that Trump broke many laws and, more importantly, damaged both our national security and our collective faith in free and fair elections. Accordingly, I believe the time has come for the Republican Party to unite behind a new face, voice and principled optimism.”

defixione wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:24 am I'd vote for him, where can I send my donation?

zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 am

Someone needs to come out and say, “It is a virtual certainty at this point that Trump will be under multiple indictments at the critical phases of the 2024 general election. And you know what, while the justice system should run its course fairly and free from political influence, it seems more likely than not that Trump broke many laws and, more importantly, damaged both our national security and our collective faith in free and fair elections. Accordingly, I believe the time has come for the Republican Party to unite behind a new face, voice and principled optimism.”

That would require the someone to not be a coward. There’s no one left in the current version of the Republican Party who is not a coward. Whenever someone wanders down towards that path they fall back in line so fast that it creates a sonic boom!!

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:58 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:51 am

You'd need a TRUE Centrist who does not include the pollution of The Church in their platform. Financial reform, fiscal responsibility, personal freedoms and some environmental awareness without lunacy. And they'd need to be young but not too young, experienced but not establishment, etc.... AKA a person who doesn't exist. But if that person ever does exist, I'd vote for them, assuming they actually made it through to a primary or general election.

Sununu, if he gets in the race

I still think the lane for this is to be loud.

Someone needs to come out and say, “It is a virtual certainty at this point that Trump will be under multiple indictments at the critical phases of the 2024 general election. And you know what, while the justice system should run its course fairly and free from political influence, it seems more likely than not that Trump broke many laws and, more importantly, damaged both our national security and our collective faith in free and fair elections. Accordingly, I believe the time has come for the Republican Party to unite behind a new face, voice and principled optimism.”

zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 am

Someone needs to come out and say, “It is a virtual certainty at this point that Trump will be under multiple indictments at the critical phases of the 2024 general election. And you know what, while the justice system should run its course fairly and free from political influence, it seems more likely than not that Trump broke many laws and, more importantly, damaged both our national security and our collective faith in free and fair elections. Accordingly, I believe the time has come for the Republican Party to unite behind a new face, voice and principled optimism.”

That would require the someone to not be a coward. There’s no one left in the current version of the Republican Party who is not a coward. Whenever someone wanders down towards that path they fall back in line so fast that it creates a sonic boom!!

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:15 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:47 am

Someone needs to come out and say, “It is a virtual certainty at this point that Trump will be under multiple indictments at the critical phases of the 2024 general election. And you know what, while the justice system should run its course fairly and free from political influence, it seems more likely than not that Trump broke many laws and, more importantly, damaged both our national security and our collective faith in free and fair elections. Accordingly, I believe the time has come for the Republican Party to unite behind a new face, voice and principled optimism.”

That would require the someone to not be a coward. There’s no one left in the current version of the Republican Party who is not a coward. Whenever someone wanders down towards that path they fall back in line so fast that it creates a sonic boom!!

and to think just a few posts ago he asks me "where did you get all that?"

Feral wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:24 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:15 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:44 am

That would require the someone to not be a coward. There’s no one left in the current version of the Republican Party who is not a coward. Whenever someone wanders down towards that path they fall back in line so fast that it creates a sonic boom!!

and to think just a few posts ago he asks me "where did you get all that?"

What did zsn say that you disagree with?

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:37 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:24 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:15 pm


and to think just a few posts ago he asks me "where did you get all that?"

What did zsn say that you disagree with?

you'll have to be more specific...I generally disagree with zsn at about a 96% clip

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:04 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:51 pm We’ve had third party candidates but would you really want George Wallace, Ross Perot or Ralph Nader as President? I think it’s as much an effect of experience and ideas as lobbying and money. That’s the lazy take. John Anderson was probably the person with the ideas and experience to be a serious contender. His lack of success may have been due to splitting the Republican and Democratic votes.

yes yes...we know you dont want a third party.....whatever the democrats trot out there you will jump on the wagon and scream from the top of the transamerica pyramid how amazingly smart and brilliant that person is and how everyone who disagrees is a nutcase....we get it.

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:20 pm Where do you get all that???? Defensive much? I never ever said that I didn’t want a third party candidate. I just haven’t seen anyone serious in the years I’ve been following and studying about politics. Actually the last serious third party candidate was probably Teddy Roosevelt.

In some way, you need a candidate who really stimulates imagination and enthusiasm. While not an accurate example, Obama in 2008 had what it would take for a viable third party candidate. He went up against an extremely well known and well funded opponent (Hillary). I seriously doubt any lobbyist or moneyed interest took him seriously at the beginning - demonstrating that money is only a small part, at least initially. He built an almost-cult-like following, based on hope and prom. Whether or not it was justified, or how it all turned out is not germane to my point. What you need is someone who has interesting, positive and hopeful ideas. Remember that the establishment Democrats were backing Hillary! I haven’t seen it from anyone.

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 11:31 pm where do I get all that? ive read your posts for a decade or more?

defensive? of what? I made no statements to be defensive of...

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:08 pm my point remains...you don't see the need because you are such a rah rah Democrat that you will prop up whatever corpse they toss out and claim anyone who doesn't blindly ride with them as an idiot

Feral wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:41 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:08 pm my point remains...you don't see the need because you are such a rah rah Democrat that you will prop up whatever corpse they toss out and claim anyone who doesn't blindly ride with them as an idiot

Voting for a 3rd party candidate might make you feel all warm inside, but for at least for what, the last century, other than virtue signaling and making a statement, it's a good way to waste your vote.

And before you ask, I have voted for a 3rd party candidate, Anderson, in 1980. I don't lose any sleep over it, but I don't feel good about having anything to do with helping elect a prick like Reagan, who among other things, like lying to Americans about selling arms to Iran, helped foment distrust of our institutions with his "the Government is the problem" propaganda, while helping the rich rob the public blind and empowering the Christo-Fascist "Moral Majority".

But, don't get me started.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:46 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:41 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:08 pm my point remains...you don't see the need because you are such a rah rah Democrat that you will prop up whatever corpse they toss out and claim anyone who doesn't blindly ride with them as an idiot

Voting for a 3rd party candidate might make you feel all warm inside, but for at least for what, the last century, other than virtue signaling and making a statement, it's a good way to waste your vote.

And before you ask, I have voted for a 3rd party candidate, Anderson, in 1980. I don't lose any sleep over it, but I don't feel good about having anything to do with helping elect a prick like Reagan, who among other things, like lying to Americans about selling arms to Iran, helped foment distrust of our institutions with his "the Government is the problem" propaganda, while helping the rich rob the public blind and empowering the Christo-Fascist "Moral Majority".

But, don't get me started.

if we perpuate the idea that a 3rd party vote is a throw away vote then we ensure that it never becomes a possibility.

I dont necessarily have a problem voting for one of the 2 major parties provided they propose a palatable option. That has absolutely not been the case for at least half of the current century.