Kansas Crimson

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:40 am Something so basic has somehow become a controversial question in our society. What happened that got us here?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/166 ... gKDcQ&s=19

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm So...this thread AND this movie resonate with me for personal reasons.

As I mentioned on the old board (Vega's board, I think), my oldest daughter had several friends in middle and high school who were "trans." Note that I use the past tense of the verb here. Of her 6 friends who were trans, 5 of them (who are all now legal, drinking-age adults) are happy, out, and proud lesbian women. They know what a woman is, and they are ALL grateful to be women. (The last one now professes not to be trans but nonbinary).

Two of these young women are among my daughter's very closest and best friends, always have been, and always will be. And they laugh and joke now about how "dumb" (their word, not mine) they were when they were kids.

I know that most of you believe firmly and incontrovertibly that the trans-panic is, as James Carville might put it, "boob-bait for Bubbas." But that's not all there is to it. There is a real and genuine effort on the part of certain parts of the educational/therapeutic establishments to advance trans acceptance on the backs of confused adolescents.

I have little doubt that these girls all would have been told at least to consider transitioning socially, if they had been in middle and high school right now, rather than just a few years ago. I also know that it would have been disastrous and destructive for all of them.

I won't pretend that much of the issue on the Right isn't a case of power-seeking disguised as concern and compassion. Much is. But not all of it. And there are reasons why medical and chemical transitioning may be too radical for many/most children.

Some of the most powerful voices on trans issues are gay men and women -- Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald to name two -- who argue that the full-throated embrace of trans "ideology" has erased much of the progress of the gay rights movement and that it seeks, in fact, to erase gay men and women entirely. The latter is undoubtedly hyperbolic, but the former has some merit.

In any case, I don't believe that this issue is quite as black and white as many might suppose.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm So...this thread AND this movie resonate with me for personal reasons.

As I mentioned on the old board (Vega's board, I think), my oldest daughter had several friends in middle and high school who were "trans." Note that I use the past tense of the verb here. Of her 6 friends who were trans, 5 of them (who are all now legal, drinking-age adults) are happy, out, and proud lesbian women. They know what a woman is, and they are ALL grateful to be women. (The last one now professes not to be trans but nonbinary).

Two of these young women are among my daughter's very closest and best friends, always have been, and always will be. And they laugh and joke now about how "dumb" (their word, not mine) they were when they were kids.

I know that most of you believe firmly and incontrovertibly that the trans-panic is, as James Carville might put it, "boob-bait for Bubbas." But that's not all there is to it. There is a real and genuine effort on the part of certain parts of the educational/therapeutic establishments to advance trans acceptance on the backs of confused adolescents.

I have little doubt that these girls all would have been told at least to consider transitioning socially, if they had been in middle and high school right now, rather than just a few years ago. I also know that it would have been disastrous and destructive for all of them.

I won't pretend that much of the issue on the Right isn't a case of power-seeking disguised as concern and compassion. Much is. But not all of it. And there are reasons why medical and chemical transitioning may be too radical for many/most children.

Some of the most powerful voices on trans issues are gay men and women -- Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald to name two -- who argue that the full-throated embrace of trans "ideology" has erased much of the progress of the gay rights movement and that it seeks, in fact, to erase gay men and women entirely. The latter is undoubtedly hyperbolic, but the former has some merit.

In any case, I don't believe that this issue is quite as black and white as many might suppose.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:12 am
awesome and appreciated post…all except the bolded part

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm So...this thread AND this movie resonate with me for personal reasons.

As I mentioned on the old board (Vega's board, I think), my oldest daughter had several friends in middle and high school who were "trans." Note that I use the past tense of the verb here. Of her 6 friends who were trans, 5 of them (who are all now legal, drinking-age adults) are happy, out, and proud lesbian women. They know what a woman is, and they are ALL grateful to be women. (The last one now professes not to be trans but nonbinary).

Two of these young women are among my daughter's very closest and best friends, always have been, and always will be. And they laugh and joke now about how "dumb" (their word, not mine) they were when they were kids.

I know that most of you believe firmly and incontrovertibly that the trans-panic is, as James Carville might put it, "boob-bait for Bubbas." But that's not all there is to it. There is a real and genuine effort on the part of certain parts of the educational/therapeutic establishments to advance trans acceptance on the backs of confused adolescents.

I have little doubt that these girls all would have been told at least to consider transitioning socially, if they had been in middle and high school right now, rather than just a few years ago. I also know that it would have been disastrous and destructive for all of them.

I won't pretend that much of the issue on the Right isn't a case of power-seeking disguised as concern and compassion. Much is. But not all of it. And there are reasons why medical and chemical transitioning may be too radical for many/most children.

Some of the most powerful voices on trans issues are gay men and women -- Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald to name two -- who argue that the full-throated embrace of trans "ideology" has erased much of the progress of the gay rights movement and that it seeks, in fact, to erase gay men and women entirely. The latter is undoubtedly hyperbolic, but the former has some merit.

In any case, I don't believe that this issue is quite as black and white as many might suppose.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 am
I guess what I have a problem with is that this issue as it exists in real life is simply not the same thing at all as this issue as it exists as a political issue.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:18 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 am
I guess what I have a problem with is that this issue as it exists in real life is simply not the same thing at all as this issue as it exists as a political issue.

You'll get no argument from me.

The politicization of everything is, IMO, the societal issue that is most relevant long term.

pdub wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:48 pm If you are actually a libertarian as you’ve said in the past then you wouldn’t give a fuck if some boys or men wanted to be and identified as women. And you’d also not give a fuck if some businesses helped those people become women. You’d just want the free market to run its course and the government to stay out of it.

But you aren’t a libertarian at all.
You’re just a brainwashed moran.