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Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:17 pm
by pdub
I won't argue with MICH there.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:44 pm
by jfish26
He'd be even better now. In the middle of this version of Bill's stuff.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:10 pm
by DeletedUser
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:43 pm
Overlander wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:33 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:19 pm If you love and miss Julian's game, boy do I have some good news for you.
I do not miss the version of Julian that jumped 8 feet in the air, and THEN tried to figure out what to do with the ball.
EJ had that same flaw from time to time....and Tyshawn to some degree.
KJ is what Julian could have been.
I'm not there. Julian was better than Kj.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:12 pm
by KUTradition
until he went god-cray

(edit: i absolutely prefer KJ’s defense)

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:18 pm
by DeletedUser
randylahey wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:03 pm There's a difference between being the most talented forward self has had and being a high usage upperclassmen. Simien, trob, morris, wilson... loved all those guys. But none were better than shady. Arthur was a freak athlete that had a polished offensive package even in college. He was touch to stop on the block or with his jumper, and used his incredible leaping ability to block shots and dunk on people. Also had quicker feet than any of those guys
Based on what we've seen since their time at KU I'd order the following:

1. Marcus
2. Markieff
3. DA
4. TRob
5. JW

Marcus and Markieff's NBA careers speak for themselves. They are the most talented of the players listed.

Shady played in 503 NBA games and started 106 games.

TRob played in 313 games and started 12 of those games.

Julian Wright played in 231 games and started 40 of those games.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:55 pm
by jfish26
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:10 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:43 pm
Overlander wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:33 pm

I do not miss the version of Julian that jumped 8 feet in the air, and THEN tried to figure out what to do with the ball.
EJ had that same flaw from time to time....and Tyshawn to some degree.
KJ is what Julian could have been.
I'm not there. Julian was better than Kj.
Better than this KJ? Man, I don’t think so.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:59 pm
by DeletedUser
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:55 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:10 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:43 pm

KJ is what Julian could have been.
I'm not there. Julian was better than Kj.
Better than this KJ? Man, I don’t think so.
Julian was drafted 13th. I think he's better individually.

Kj is fantastic. He is also very lucky to have been surrounded with the guys he's been surrounded by because he is extremely offensively limited.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:13 pm
by jfish26
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:59 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:55 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:10 pm

I'm not there. Julian was better than Kj.
Better than this KJ? Man, I don’t think so.
Julian was drafted 13th. I think he's better individually.

Kj is fantastic. He is also very lucky to have been surrounded with the guys he's been surrounded by because he is extremely offensively limited.
Hard to say how much of that draft spot is attributable to high school hype. I personally think KJ is more impactful now than Julian ever was in college.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:09 pm
by pdub
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:44 pm He'd be even better now. In the middle of this version of Bill's stuff.
He’d be a great guy you could play at the 4 or 5. Simien on last years team cruises to the title even with Norm as coach.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:21 pm
by pdub
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:18 pm
randylahey wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:03 pm There's a difference between being the most talented forward self has had and being a high usage upperclassmen. Simien, trob, morris, wilson... loved all those guys. But none were better than shady. Arthur was a freak athlete that had a polished offensive package even in college. He was touch to stop on the block or with his jumper, and used his incredible leaping ability to block shots and dunk on people. Also had quicker feet than any of those guys
Based on what we've seen since their time at KU I'd order the following:

1. Marcus
2. Markieff
3. DA
4. TRob
5. JW

Marcus and Markieff's NBA careers speak for themselves. They are the most talented of the players listed.

Shady played in 503 NBA games and started 106 games.

TRob played in 313 games and started 12 of those games.

Julian Wright played in 231 games and started 40 of those games.
If Simien isn’t in the top 5 of this list I can’t take it seriously. How someone has done in their NBA career doesn’t mean they were the best player in their time at Kansas.

Chieck Diallo wasn’t better than David McCormack at KU.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:27 pm
by DeletedUser
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:21 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:18 pm
randylahey wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:03 pm There's a difference between being the most talented forward self has had and being a high usage upperclassmen. Simien, trob, morris, wilson... loved all those guys. But none were better than shady. Arthur was a freak athlete that had a polished offensive package even in college. He was touch to stop on the block or with his jumper, and used his incredible leaping ability to block shots and dunk on people. Also had quicker feet than any of those guys
Based on what we've seen since their time at KU I'd order the following:

1. Marcus
2. Markieff
3. DA
4. TRob
5. JW

Marcus and Markieff's NBA careers speak for themselves. They are the most talented of the players listed.

Shady played in 503 NBA games and started 106 games.

TRob played in 313 games and started 12 of those games.

Julian Wright played in 231 games and started 40 of those games.
If Simien isn’t in the top 5 of this list I can’t take it seriously. How someone has done in their NBA career doesn’t mean they were the best player in their time at Kansas.

Chieck Diallo wasn’t better than David McCormack at KU.
I was ranking their talent and NBA success does reflect their talent.

And I wasn't counting Simien as Self era since he was a Roy recruit.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm
by pdub
We are talking talent while at KU.
Grimes wasn’t as talented at his peak at KU as Releford was at his peak.

If we are talking simply athleticism, that’s different story.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:11 pm
by DeletedUser
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm We are talking talent while at KU.
My bad then. I wasn't. I was just talking overall talent at basketball.

To you is there a difference between the "best while at KU" and "most talented at basketball"? To me there is.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:11 pm
by columbusdjkc
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:11 pm
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm We are talking talent while at KU.
My bad then. I wasn't. I was just talking overall talent at basketball.

To you is there a difference between the "best while at KU" and "most talented at basketball"? To me there is.
Who is your overall most talented basketball player in the self era? Embiid? He’s got the edge on Wiggins?

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:08 am
by pdub
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:11 pm
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm We are talking talent while at KU.
My bad then. I wasn't. I was just talking overall talent at basketball.

To you is there a difference between the "best while at KU" and "most talented at basketball"? To me there is.
Talent can change over time in my opinion. Like by a lot. Most talented at their peak at basketball then I mostly agree with your list. Most talent potential then I don’t—TRob would be on the top of that chart for me.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:11 am
by pdub
columbusdjkc wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:11 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:11 pm
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm We are talking talent while at KU.
My bad then. I wasn't. I was just talking overall talent at basketball.

To you is there a difference between the "best while at KU" and "most talented at basketball"? To me there is.
Who is your overall most talented basketball player in the self era? Embiid? He’s got the edge on Wiggins?
Wiggins would be my vote I think. Embiid hadn’t developed but had shown flashes.

Talent is far different than best player though and I don’t think Wiggins breaks my top 10 there.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:51 am
by DeletedUser
columbusdjkc wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:11 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:11 pm
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:30 pm We are talking talent while at KU.
My bad then. I wasn't. I was just talking overall talent at basketball.

To you is there a difference between the "best while at KU" and "most talented at basketball"? To me there is.
Who is your overall most talented basketball player in the self era? Embiid? He’s got the edge on Wiggins?
Yes. Embiid.

Wiggins was extremely athletic and we tend to equate that with "potential", but to me talent also includes other things like skill and work ethic.

Self era I'd probably rank them (off the top of my head with little thought):

1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Marcus


But again, I am not basing my rankings solely on time at KU. If I were those 3 would probably be in reverse order as Marcus had the best career at KU.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:09 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:44 pm He'd be even better now. In the middle of this version of Bill's stuff.
He’d be a great guy you could play at the 4 or 5. Simien on last years team cruises to the title even with Norm as coach.
Your boy from a couple years ago was sort of like a Wayne starter kit.

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:37 am
by randylahey
DeletedUser wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:18 pm
randylahey wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:03 pm There's a difference between being the most talented forward self has had and being a high usage upperclassmen. Simien, trob, morris, wilson... loved all those guys. But none were better than shady. Arthur was a freak athlete that had a polished offensive package even in college. He was touch to stop on the block or with his jumper, and used his incredible leaping ability to block shots and dunk on people. Also had quicker feet than any of those guys
Based on what we've seen since their time at KU I'd order the following:

1. Marcus
2. Markieff
3. DA
4. TRob
5. JW

Marcus and Markieff's NBA careers speak for themselves. They are the most talented of the players listed.

Shady played in 503 NBA games and started 106 games.

TRob played in 313 games and started 12 of those games.

Julian Wright played in 231 games and started 40 of those games.
Arthur had an Achilles tear that derailed his nba career. He was a similar player to the twins, but more athletic

Re: KU players who transferred

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:43 am
by randylahey
Julian Wright was an enigma. Freakishly athletic. Jack of all trades but master of none. He was juat ahead of his time and could've been perfect for position less basketball if he could shoot it better. For a big he sure could handle it and pass for that time