Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:00 am remember when the debate for best in class was between him and Wiggins?

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:18 am Hard to believe Wiggins (and Parker) might not even end up in the top 5 of the draft class...

Right now I'd rank it:

Embiid
Jokic
Capella

Then a group of Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle, Zach Lavine, Jusif Nurkic, Gary Harris....

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:24 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:18 am Hard to believe Wiggins (and Parker) might not even end up in the top 5 of the draft class...

Right now I'd rank it:

Embiid
Jokic
Capella

Then a group of Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle, Zach Lavine, Jusif Nurkic, Gary Harris....

Wiggins has more than 2,100 more points than anyone else in that class, he's 6th in rebounds, and 7th in assists. His third season in the league is the best individual season anyone in that class has had other than Embiid. I think you're either grading those guys against expectations, or you're letting your need to keep people in check cloud your judgment. There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Wiggins falls out of the top 5. He's struggling this year, but there's no reason to assume that continues and he doesn't at least get back to the level he was at a year or two ago. I'd still rank him #2 behind Embiid personally, but that's probably just becuase I'm smarter than you and understand basketball better.

Based on his past handful of games, he might already be snapping out of it. He's averaging 23/5/2 in his last 4.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:39 pm 16/4/2 is better than 15/9/5

Got it.

Check out Jokic averages this year....I'd say he's on track to have the best single year for the draft class yet (not including embiid obviously)....17/10/8 is pretty strong. Not sure which Wiggins year you're going to try to argue is better and more impactful than that.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:28 pm Ya my bad. Grabbed he wrong line of stats.

20/4/2 vs 15/9/5


I'm not railing against wiggins. You're still bent out of shape about me using the word "serviceable" when describing his 3pt shooting. I'm a huge wiggins fan. There's no reason to pretend I'm not because I've been realistic in my analysis of his game. It's okay to disagree sometimes.

We don't need to continue. I think jokic is better than wiggins. I'm pretty sure nearly all NBA analysts would agree with me. I shouldn't expect to get an unbiased discussion about it when we are all Jayhawk fans.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:49 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:28 pm Ya my bad. Grabbed he wrong line of stats.

20/4/2 vs 15/9/5


I'm not railing against wiggins. You're still bent out of shape about me using the word "serviceable" when describing his 3pt shooting. I'm a huge wiggins fan. There's no reason to pretend I'm not because I've been realistic in my analysis of his game. It's okay to disagree sometimes.

We don't need to continue. I think jokic is better than wiggins. I'm pretty sure nearly all NBA analysts would agree with me. I shouldn't expect to get an unbiased discussion about it when we are all Jayhawk fans.

You have Wiggins outside the top 5 in that class. Jussayin'

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:01 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:49 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:28 pm Ya my bad. Grabbed he wrong line of stats.

20/4/2 vs 15/9/5


I'm not railing against wiggins. You're still bent out of shape about me using the word "serviceable" when describing his 3pt shooting. I'm a huge wiggins fan. There's no reason to pretend I'm not because I've been realistic in my analysis of his game. It's okay to disagree sometimes.

We don't need to continue. I think jokic is better than wiggins. I'm pretty sure nearly all NBA analysts would agree with me. I shouldn't expect to get an unbiased discussion about it when we are all Jayhawk fans.

You have Wiggins outside the top 5 in that class. Jussayin'

Come on PhD....I said "might end up outside the top 5".

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:58 pm you are a poor man's gutter.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:39 am Do we think Oubre and Jackson gel in Phoenix?
I wouldn't bet on it considering that organization is almost as much a trash fire as Sacramento but it'd be fun to see them both get on the court together.