Kansas Crimson

Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am Dotson is the 66th best player in this year's draft...he will be back. Grimes is the 72nd best. Math never lies...

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:46 am

Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am Dotson is the 66th best player in this year's draft...he will be back. Grimes is the 72nd best. Math never lies...

Unsubstantiated data lie though. All the time.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 5:48 am Dotson is priority one.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:19 am I don't understand why my personal rankings (assuming they even exist) has any relevance. I have seen Dotson as high as 30th on boards and as low as around 70. I think it is a logical assumption that he very likely falls somewhere in between those two numbers--perhaps even right in the middle.

My point is:

1. Those numbers you are citing are almost entirely arbitrary. They don't come from any NBA team. They are entirely the opinion of one person/journalist.

2. They have absolutely no bearing on an NBA team's selection. They are neither more or less influential on the actual draft if they had Dotson ranked 4th instead of 66th.

3. Even if those numbers came directly from an NBA team, they are still not predictive of the actual draft. It assumes that NBA teams take the player that directly correlates to where they sit in the rankings. i.e. "we have the 45th pick, we are going to take the 45th best prospect (or best available)." That is not how teams draft, particularly in the 2nd round.

What we do know: Dotson is one of about 40 players that are playing at the combine--not all of which will stay in the draft. His measurables did not kill him by any means yesterday. We found out that he has above average athleticism for the position. We already knew that he was likely the fastest player in the country. During the scrimmages, he was far from the worst player on the court. His age currently is working to his advantage. He's the best freshman PG we've seen here in the past 15+ years, which is saying something at a program like Kansas.

Add that all up: it's hard to see him not being drafted this summer, provided that he stays in the draft, which is way less of a given, and I both think and hope that he does not.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:40 am If he's only a better jumper and A/TO number away from being first round, that seems like a great reason to return. Those are very fixable things in one year of college ball.

Grimes should return, too, but for way different reasons. Aka, his flaws probably aren't fixable in one year. Dedric should stay in the draft for that same reason.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 amI don't think it's just about A/TO with Dotson. He's got to develop a better feel for the game generally.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:28 amIt sure COULD.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am I don't get the Memphis hype.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am I don't get the Memphis hype.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:49 am

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am I don't get the Memphis hype.

Will be over before we start to understand it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:51 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:49 am

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am I don't get the Memphis hype.

Will be over before we start to understand it.

It's a no-win for Memphis in the long haul. If the approach works, the architect will (deservedly) get a better job (sound familiar?). And if it doesn't...well then it's a waste.