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[CrimsonNBlue]

We've had some really great PG's here.

[ousdahl]

Elijah was a lot better off the ball.

[jfish26]

We've had some really great PG's here.

And also Elijah Johnson.

Sorry, had to.

Tip-top of my head, Self-era (and surely I'm missing someone):

Mason
Collins
Graham
Taylor
Dotson
Garrett
Miles
Johnson
Robinson
Getting Food Poisoning
Selby
Getting Really Bad Food Poisoning, and Also Your Dog Dies
Tharpe

[CrimsonNBlue]

Mason, Collins, Graham and Taylor had such remarkable individual seasons (in different ways) that I'd put those seasons as 1a, b, c, d.

[PortlandHawk]

Mason, Collins, Graham and Taylor had such remarkable individual seasons (in different ways) that I'd put those seasons as 1a, b, c, d.

Dotson could have been up there...

[CrimsonNBlue]

Yes, Dotson could have capped it in a year that's not 2020. I also think he got snubbed on 1st team AA stuff. Beginning to end, he was so great. A non-shooting PG that led the best team in the country in scoring--not something you'd think you'd hear in today's game.

[jfish26]

Mason, Collins, Graham and Taylor had such remarkable individual seasons (in different ways) that I'd put those seasons as 1a, b, c, d.

I don't think there's a solid argument against Mason being alone at the top.

[jfish26]

Yes, Dotson could have capped it in a year that's not 2020. I also think he got snubbed on 1st team AA stuff. Beginning to end, he was so great. A non-shooting PG that led the best team in the country in scoring--not something you'd think you'd hear in today's game.

If we'd gone to a Final Four, I could see the top of the list tiered like this:

Mason

Graham
Collins

Chalmers
Dotson
Taylor

It was Chalmers, by the way, that I left out!

[CrimsonNBlue]

Mason, Collins, Graham and Taylor had such remarkable individual seasons (in different ways) that I'd put those seasons as 1a, b, c, d.

I don't think there's a solid argument against Mason being alone at the top.

Agree to disagree. The national awards vary too much season-to-season to be a big deciding factor for me.

[ousdahl]

I’d take Dotson over Collins.


Unless, of course, anyone would like to argue quantity over quality.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I just give a ton of credit to Sherron and D'Tae for what they meant to their 09 and 18 teams. That's a different and difficult role that not all of those guys had to go through (which is good).

[ousdahl]

Yeah, 09 Sherron was special.

10 Sherron was the daily special, double order, smothered in gravy, with an extra side of fries.

[CrimsonNBlue]

And that kind of partly goes to why I'm not huge on the national awards. Sherron's 1st team selection was '10 and not '09. We knew better.

[defixione]

There's always a lot of speculation about new recruits, and their comparisons to veteran jayhawks. All I really care about is that the new kid has killer instinct foot on the neck game finishes.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I would say all those guys, even EJ, had those kind of moments. I think it's safe to say that the staff recruits that trait for that position.

Even Garrett, who maybe won't be the finisher, gets to the paint every time in late game situations.

[pdub]

It’s not just national awards but metrics.

Mason takes the top position...of not just point guards under Self but player.

[ousdahl]

Isn’t 2nd on the top player list Simien?

Who was a great player, but also injury prone, and on a roster that fell apart before our very eyes almost as fast as you can say, “Lagerald Vick”

[CrimsonNBlue]

Isn’t 2nd on the top player list Simien?

Who was a great player, but also injury prone, and on a roster that fell apart before our very eyes almost as fast as you can say, “Lagerald Vick”

Right. Stats, here, are an objective tool but used to support a subjective opinion. Awards, stats, anecdotal moments, eye test, etc. you can and should use them all.

IMO, I don't see how you could watch both Simien and Marcus Morris play and land on Simien. It's not baseball.

[ousdahl]

Simien was such an old school player, too.

Don’t know how he’d fit in today’s style of play.

[Deleted User 89]

Simeon missed the driveway shot

that’s what he’ll be remembered most for in my mind