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Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:35 pm
by ousdahl
On one hand Zion has as much star potential as anyone, but on the other hand I kinda get the feeling he’s gonna end up all fat.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:42 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Definitely not sold on Zion yet, but you have to take him and seems like a 98.5% chance he's going to be a max player in Contract 2.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:17 pm
by JayhawkInIowa726
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:08 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:43 pm
95% of the time twocoach brings substance to his arguments.
Illy was closer to 30% of the time.
Illy brought more than twocoach ever has...and it's not even that close.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:43 pm
by ousdahl
Too bad Illy isn’t here to argue that you’re totally wrong about that
...then in the very next post argue with himself about how maybe you aren’t wrong after all.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:38 pm
by PhDhawk
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:43 pm
Too bad Illy isn’t here to argue that you’re totally wrong about that
...then in the very next post argue with himself about how maybe you aren’t wrong after all.
Exactly, illy was right precisely half of the time.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:58 pm
by Lonestarjayhawk
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:01 pm
Lonzo is both (a) a promising young player who may end up getting a max deal when the time comes, and (b) the very very obvious choice to get squeezed out of New Orleans when the bill comes due for Ingram's (and then Zion's) deals.
And, he is second best player in the family...third if you ask Daddy Ball.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:10 am
by pdub
Dedric Lawson over/under draft position set at 55.5.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:43 am
by Sparko
Yeah. LeBron isn’t the best GM
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:49 am
by twocoach
Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:43 am
Yeah. LeBron isn’t the best GM
Doesn't he have 9 NBA Finals appearances and 3 NBA titles? Seems like he is doing just fine.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:52 am
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:49 am
Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:43 am
Yeah. LeBron isn’t the best GM
Doesn't he have 9 NBA Finals appearances and 3 NBA titles? Seems like he is doing just fine.
...and yet, barring some intense late-career luck, he'll finish behind Michael (and Kobe and Duncan) in titles.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:53 am
by twocoach
Oh no. The horror.
It's amusing that some KU fans can think of a million reasons and stats to rank KU over Kentucky, Duke and Carolina despite less titles, claiming "there's more to a season that the tourney results" but continue to hold NBA titles up as the measuring stick of an NBA players greatness.
Which is it?
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:55 am
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:53 am
Oh no. The horror.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but a good amount of people will say
Kobe had a better career, based on the titles.
Nevermind - I am saying that's wrong. But lots and lots of people will think this.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:04 am
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:55 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:53 am
Oh no. The horror.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but a good amount of people will say
Kobe had a better career, based on the titles.
Nevermind - I am saying that's wrong. But lots and lots of people will think this.
Oh, I know. But just a reminder that just because "lots and lots of people" think doesn't mean it's a good idea...
4 in 10 Americans dont know what Auschwitz was.
37% of polled Americans could not name a single right protected by the Bill of Rights and 33% could not name one branch of the government.
25% of polled Americans thought the sun orbited the earth.
34% or Americans reject evolution entirely.
We are a nation with "lots and lots" of morons.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:08 am
by jfish26
Agreed! But if Bron wants a bulletproof GOAT argument, he's got to at least tie MJ. He's not going to, in my opinion largely because of his own failings as a pseudo-GM.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:26 am
by pdub
This pseudo-GM still got him to the finals v Golden State four times - of which he won one.
It also got him two titles in Miami and to the finals every year he was there.
I don't think he was a 'psuedo-GM' in his first stint in Cleveland.
Maybe this last Lakers decision was a bad one ( we'll see ) but I don't think three titles in eight chances, with all eight chances resulting in a Finals appearance, is really a 'fail' if we are considering him a pseudo-GM.
His psuedo-GMing just ran into a juggernaut of a Warriors team.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:31 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:26 am
This pseudo-GM still got him to the finals v Golden State four times - of which he won one.
It also got him two titles in Miami and to the finals every year he was there.
I don't think he was a 'psuedo-GM' in his first stint in Cleveland.
Maybe this last Lakers decision was a bad one ( we'll see ) but I don't think three titles in eight chances, with all eight chances resulting in a Finals appearance, is really a 'fail' if we are considering him a pseudo-GM.
His psuedo-GMing just ran into a juggernaut of a Warriors team.
Honestly, they shouldn't have even won the one against Golden State.
In any case, my opinion is that he hasn't handled his post-Cavs time in a way optimized to win multiple additional titles.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:36 am
by pdub
Post-Cavs being his going to the Lakers?
Or his going to Miami?
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:39 am
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:31 am
pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:26 am
This pseudo-GM still got him to the finals v Golden State four times - of which he won one.
It also got him two titles in Miami and to the finals every year he was there.
I don't think he was a 'psuedo-GM' in his first stint in Cleveland.
Maybe this last Lakers decision was a bad one ( we'll see ) but I don't think three titles in eight chances, with all eight chances resulting in a Finals appearance, is really a 'fail' if we are considering him a pseudo-GM.
His psuedo-GMing just ran into a juggernaut of a Warriors team.
Honestly, they shouldn't have even won the one against Golden State.
In any case, my opinion is that he hasn't handled his post-Cavs time in a way optimized to win multiple additional titles.
There were a lot of bad signings in Cleveland in the first stint, too (Mo Williams, anyone), that were made, at worst, after nudging by LeBron to sign whatever was available.
They probably got screwed by Boozer, but it's interesting he didn't want to play with LeBron.
Re: NBA Offseason
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:40 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:36 am
Post-Cavs being his going to the Lakers?
Or his going to Miami?
Sorry, the Lakers part.